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Re: Google, Microsoft CEOs Called to AI Meeting at White House

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Who would be the attendants at your dream summit on AI safety? Public policy needs to involve decisionmakers. You can't just hand society to the engineers. Imagine your boss and hierarchy being empowered to decide for everyone.

Who is the James Webb of our times? Let's empower that person to the ultramaxpro.

But who gets to decide who that person is? Back to square one.

Re: Google, Microsoft CEOs Called to AI Meeting at White House

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> "expectation that companies like yours must make sure their products are safe before making them available to the public." Lets make a guess, they are going to say its dangerous and we need regulation to prevent competitio---terorrism. Here is what you need to do instead, get some smart people from various agencies that are trustworthy, have them use the openAI playground and see what can be accomplished. Then show…

It also depends on what "safe" means. Before I read your comment I assumed this was about not accidentally building skynet, rather than making it easy to break copyright etc. I hope it's about AI Safety given Anthropic is there and not Midjourney.

Re: Google, Microsoft CEOs Called to AI Meeting at White House

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Considering Anthropic and Open AI will be there, I think the right players are at the table. I would've liked to have seen Meta there since I think they're focused on generative deep learning. That said, with the administration's AI Bill of Rights top of mind, I don't have faith in the gerontocracy to regulate this sector [1].

As a jocular aside, I wonder if Chat GPT could be used to write these articles? The second to last paragraph in this article is the exact same as the second paragraph from this earlier one: [2].

[1] - https://www.whitehouse.gov/ostp/ai-bill-of-rights/

[2] - https://www.reuters.com/technology/us-begins-study-possible-...

Re: Google, Microsoft CEOs Called to AI Meeting at White House

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> "expectation that companies like yours must make sure their products are safe before making them available to the public." Lets make a guess, they are going to say its dangerous and we need regulation to prevent competitio---terorrism. Here is what you need to do instead, get some smart people from various agencies that are trustworthy, have them use the openAI playground and see what can be accomplished. Then show…

1A makes regulating software basically impossible. I can’t imagine what additionally regulation they think they’re going to implement that will survive the judiciary. The only legal barrier I can see that could influence these AI services is that that their output is obviously not shielded from liability by Section 230. But that will play out in the civil courts, if at all. I’d say the more likely outcome is the far…

Sorry but this comment is just totally wrong. Look into weapons exports that applied to cryptography, google providing android to Huawei, etc. etc. etc. etc. i mean jeez you don't have to look far for counterpoints to what you're saying

Re: Google, Microsoft CEOs Called to AI Meeting at White House

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> "expectation that companies like yours must make sure their products are safe before making them available to the public." Lets make a guess, they are going to say its dangerous and we need regulation to prevent competitio---terorrism. Here is what you need to do instead, get some smart people from various agencies that are trustworthy, have them use the openAI playground and see what can be accomplished. Then show…

Companies are not the only ones who have something to gain from that exchange. Democratization of AI will also be used to push harsher legislation on the internet, in the guise of fighting "misinformation" (now possibly AI-generated!).

Re: Google, Microsoft CEOs Called to AI Meeting at White House

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

1A makes regulating software basically impossible. I can’t imagine what additionally regulation they think they’re going to implement that will survive the judiciary. The only legal barrier I can see that could influence these AI services is that that their output is obviously not shielded from liability by Section 230. But that will play out in the civil courts, if at all. I’d say the more likely outcome is the far…

Sorry but this comment is just totally wrong. Look into weapons exports that applied to cryptography, google providing android to Huawei, etc. etc. etc. etc. i mean jeez you don't have to look far for counterpoints to what you're saying

Yeah, they tried to limit crypto exports. Remember that munitions t-shirt? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crypto_Wars#/media/File:Muniti... You can put any regulations you want on the books - the point is that enforcing them can become laughably infeasible.

Re: Google, Microsoft CEOs Called to AI Meeting at White House

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> "expectation that companies like yours must make sure their products are safe before making them available to the public." Lets make a guess, they are going to say its dangerous and we need regulation to prevent competitio---terorrism. Here is what you need to do instead, get some smart people from various agencies that are trustworthy, have them use the openAI playground and see what can be accomplished. Then show…

Why are regulations bad? When there are no regulations the results are usually not pretty. Current big tech dystopia, stock market crash of 1929, UK textile mills worked by children in the Industrial Revolution...

Why should we expect AI to not repeat the same abuses and errors?

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The real risk of AI actually is related to that, IMO. Vinod Khosla estimated in an event a few weeks ago that 80% of human jobs will be automated in the next 10-20 years. We’re going to be living in an era of extreme abundance, which in theory could lead to an absolute human utopia. The reality is that our society as it is currently run requires everyone to work in some capacity to earn a living. We’re about to hit a…

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Re: Google, Microsoft CEOs Called to AI Meeting at White House

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> "expectation that companies like yours must make sure their products are safe before making them available to the public." Lets make a guess, they are going to say its dangerous and we need regulation to prevent competitio---terorrism. Here is what you need to do instead, get some smart people from various agencies that are trustworthy, have them use the openAI playground and see what can be accomplished. Then show…

LLama is meaningfully behind the state of the art AFAIK, so the cat isn't fully out of the bag in that sense. Whether a GPT4 or better model has public weights in 2-3 years may in fact depend on government regulation.

Re: Google, Microsoft CEOs Called to AI Meeting at White House

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Who is the James Webb of our times? Let's empower that person to the ultramaxpro.

But who gets to decide who that person is? Back to square one.

That person will naturally impose himself or herself through the strength of their achievements and sheer willpower in such a way that there will be not a shred of doubt in the mind of the public that this individual is worthy of deference and reverence.

No one decided Einstein was the greatest scientist of the 20th century. Einstein did his thing and let the results speak for themselves.

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