Can someone explain the power consumption difference between one of these chips and an arm (eg m1)?
The Framework Laptop 13
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#22Earlier quoted context omitted.
Is there any reasonable Linux support for a laptop with ARM right now? Asahi and Apple are one thing, but qualcomm's offerings haven't looked enticing at all.
Pinebook Pro count? There's also some support for the Thinkpad X13s Snapdragon.
Not for me.
I mean, it “works” as in it is a functioning computer, but it’s not really useful as a daily driver machine. Mine is very touchy and build quality-wise, it’s not great.
It is great for what you pay, don’t get me wrong. And I’m sure some people could use it daily, but between the battery life and sluggish performance, it’s not really in the same conversation as the Framework model here.
I think for me the real issue I have is that with the Pinebook Pro (and Linux on ARM in general), you’re limited to a specific set of “blessed” Linux distributions. There is still a lot of custom code that goes into these, so it’s not at the point of being able to just download your favorite distro and running it. It’s getting better, but there are so many variations of chips that it’s hard to get things running smoothly. The flexibility of the OS and ARM CPUs really makes it difficult without a major OEM/vendor taking charge.
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#23I am puzzled by the lack of keyboard layouts for Switzerland (we have the cash to spend on such novelties!). Also, no DVORAK? Is this for hackers or not? French Canadian $99 English International $99 German $99 US English $99 French $99 British English $99 Clear ANSI $109 Blank ANSI $109 Black ISO $109 Clear ISO $109
Use blank keycaps then. Dvorak is for touch typing so you shouldn't be looking at your keys in the first place ;)
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#24I still hope to see a non-x86 version. The less bloat the better.
Is there any reasonable Linux support for a laptop with ARM right now? Asahi and Apple are one thing, but qualcomm's offerings haven't looked enticing at all.
MNT reform uses the well documented NXP i.MX8 SoM from Boundary Devices. The SoM can be replaced to swap out CPU/memory and there is an FPGA module being worked on.
It's more DiY but for some that is a huge boon. Used one in person and its quite bulky and heavy but feels pretty solid and comfortable enough to use. The mechanical keyboard and trackball option are unique and welcome additions. I liked it so much I ordered a pocket reform though I intend to run 9front on it.
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#25> If you're upgrading your Framework Laptop to the new Mainboard, remember that you'll need DDR5 SO-DIMMs up to DDR5-5600, along with a Ryzen-compatible RZ616 or similar WiFi card. What's a "Ryzen-compatible" WiFi card?
I think it means "Don't use an Intel AX201 Wifi Card because that needs an Intel CPU" without mentioning Intel.
That's not true though, is it?
Have an AX200 series wifi chip on an AM4 Motherboard, works well.
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#26I’ll wait to see if they have proper “sleep” mode such that they don’t keep draining batter while not in use, particularly when running Linux. This is something that baffles me about non Apple Laptops how they just refuse to catch up to such a great benefit.. (alongside the trackpad experience which I can may be live with).
Many laptops these days only implement s2idle and no proper s3 support which is the main culprit. My lenovo only does a day (at best) in s2idle under linux (windows is worse), when I switched it to s3 it does about 4 days as expected for the amd cpu. Fortunately this has a switch in the bios (which says windows won't work afterwards which is cow manure). You get the added benefit that windows can't phone home when yo…
My X1 Nano Gen 1 has the same switch in EFI. Glad it exists but yeah it’s weird that Lenovo suggests that using it breaks Windows.
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#27I've been waiting for this machine for so long, excited to see the actual CPU unveil. I may be out of date, but is the issue with not entering sleep mode properly resolved? That's a huge issue to me. Aside from Framework, does anyone suggest any other existing laptops that keep a fairly slim design while also offering lots of user repairability? I've had an okay experience with my Thinkpad X1 Carbon Gen 3, but she's…
Apparently with the Ryzen processor, the slots are limited: "The Framework Laptop 13 with Ryzen™ 7040 Series processors has two fully capable USB4 ports, with the back left and back right Expansion Cards slots. The front left Expansion Card slot can handle both USB 3.2 and DisplayPort Alt Mode, while the front right Expansion Card can use USB 3.2. This does mean there is one Expansion Card slot that can't support the HDMI or DisplayPort Expansion Cards, and most OS's will provide a warning if you forget. You can charge your Framework Laptop through any of the four Expansion Cards as well.".
This is borderline a deal breaker for me.
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#28Earlier quoted context omitted.
Is there any reasonable Linux support for a laptop with ARM right now? Asahi and Apple are one thing, but qualcomm's offerings haven't looked enticing at all.
Pinebook Pro count? There's also some support for the Thinkpad X13s Snapdragon.
I have a pinebook. its. a fun toy but the trackpad is trash and there's not much if any HD space so I still use my MBP as a daily driver. I'd happily pay more for a pinebook pro with at least 512 gb of space, 8 gb of ram and a beefier battery. the cpu performance is on the low end but workable.
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#29Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think it means "Don't use an Intel AX201 Wifi Card because that needs an Intel CPU" without mentioning Intel.
That's not true though, is it? Have an AX200 series wifi chip on an AM4 Motherboard, works well.
Using AX2XX on my Ryzen desktop too, works great. As far as I know that series of chipsets is one of the best available for Wifi/BT cards.
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#30> If you're upgrading your Framework Laptop to the new Mainboard, remember that you'll need ... a Ryzen-compatible RZ616 or similar WiFi card.
Why does WiFi card need to be "compatible" with CPU? Isn't it enough to be compatible with PCI-Express? Or are there backdoors that do not work with Intel-backdoor-compatible WiFi cards?