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Re: Exercise increases number of immune cells in cancer patients

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Post by ActorNightly »

lockhouse wrote: post #4

Diet, exercise, enough sleep, and a good social support structure are pretty much the keys to good health in general. The fact that we have so many health issues in western society are because its so easy to neglect these things.

Its even simpler.

Exercise (specifically, aerobic type) is the main thing you need. A good exercise regime gives you a lot of leeway in the diet aspect especially if you don't overeat (since your caloric burn will be high enough on the regular to not have to deal with issues like too much carbs). It also helps you sleep as you get tired and can fall asleep easier, and reduces stress levels, which is very important in regards to longevity.

There also have been studies that link brain function deterioration with lack of oxygen, and people with higher VO2max values are at a lower risk of cognitive decline.

Something as simple as cycling to the office instead of taking the car can have extremely positive effects.

Re: Exercise increases number of immune cells in cancer patients

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Post by t-writescode »

jimbob45 wrote: post #15
markus_zhang wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

These are luxuries, not mandatories. That's why many people don't get them. They can't. I absolutely can't.

Couldn't agree more. Seems like a lot of people on here think that low-income earners eat off of the McD's dollar menu by choice.

I absolutely don't think that.

I think that company owners, share holders, "The Economy" have decided that low earners don't deserve healthy lives; and that many of those low earners have been tricked into agreeing that it's best to live "under foot" and that those things are luxuries.

It would be like cheering a factory on for all the missing arms its employees have, and then having all the factory employees mock the newcommers with two arms trying to protest losing an arm only to have the tenured ones laugh at them and think that's privilege.

We've brainwashed generations of self and systemic harm

Re: Exercise increases number of immune cells in cancer patients

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Post by pengaru »

lockhouse wrote: post #4

Diet, exercise, enough sleep, and a good social support structure are pretty much the keys to good health in general. The fact that we have so many health issues in western society are because its so easy to neglect these things.

"Social support structure" is often at odds with diet, exercise, and enough sleep.

Re: Exercise increases number of immune cells in cancer patients

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Post by pengaru »

10xDev wrote: post #16
lockhouse wrote: post #4

Diet, exercise, enough sleep, and a good social support structure are pretty much the keys to good health in general. The fact that we have so many health issues in western society are because its so easy to neglect these things.

You forgot to add good genetics.

> You forgot to add good genetics.

Too many people lean on "bad genetics" as a scapegoat for their laziness/poor choices/lack of self-discipline...

Re: Exercise increases number of immune cells in cancer patients

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Post by algoatecorn »

markus_zhang wrote: post #10
lockhouse wrote: post #4

Diet, exercise, enough sleep, and a good social support structure are pretty much the keys to good health in general. The fact that we have so many health issues in western society are because its so easy to neglect these things.

These are luxuries, not mandatories. That's why many people don't get them. They can't. I absolutely can't.

If you put diet, exercise, sleep, and social support on a sliding scale, can you honestly say that you're doing everything in your power to maximize each one?

I don't know your personal details, but most people who think this way are not actually trying their hardest in each category. Sure, some small percentage is going to face monumental challenges. But look at the data in the US for example. 70% of our deaths are caused by NCDs. Most of that 70% has enough control of these factors to reap their benefits

Re: Exercise increases number of immune cells in cancer patients

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Post by landryraccoon »

markus_zhang wrote: post #10
lockhouse wrote: post #4

Diet, exercise, enough sleep, and a good social support structure are pretty much the keys to good health in general. The fact that we have so many health issues in western society are because its so easy to neglect these things.

These are luxuries, not mandatories. That's why many people don't get them. They can't. I absolutely can't.

Good food I can see as a luxury. How is exercise a luxury though? It seems like going for a walk or a run is available to almost everyone.

If anything it seems like those on the lower income level would be forced to be outside doing physical activity more than the wealthy.

Re: Exercise increases number of immune cells in cancer patients

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Post by lockhouse »

pengaru wrote: post #23
lockhouse wrote: post #4

Diet, exercise, enough sleep, and a good social support structure are pretty much the keys to good health in general. The fact that we have so many health issues in western society are because its so easy to neglect these things.

"Social support structure" is often at odds with diet, exercise, and enough sleep.

It is absolutely critical to good mental health and having healthy coping mechanisms for stress.

Social support structure doesn’t necessarily mean staying out all night drinking and partying with your friends like a college student. It can also mean spending quality time with your family, neighbors, and acquaintances that you share hobbies and activities with.

Re: Exercise increases number of immune cells in cancer patients

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Post by biotechbio »

Aune wrote: post #14
biotechbio wrote: post #7

bioscience phd student. Why is this interesting? Tl;dr from the article, they used flow cytometry to quantify different cell populations in the blood, and noted that the proportion of CD8+ T cells (cytotoxic, the kind of immune cells that recognize and kill cancer cells, among other things) increases after exercise and returns to baseline 30 min later. Claiming that this supports the idea that cancer patients could b…

If they return to baseline in 30 minutes, was there even an increase to begin with? What is the mean lifetime of those cytotoxic cells, and would one expect such a decay in so short a time? I understand that it is a very dynamic system but 30 minutes seems very short to me. So is the return a die-off or where do they go?

The lifespan of T cells varies from months to years (memory T cells). T cell development begins in the bone marrow and continues in the lymphatic tissue and periphery. During their lifespan, these cells circulate in the body and migrate based on chemical gradients.

What happens when you exercise? Blood pressure increases, blood vessels dilate. I honestly would not be surprised if what these authors observed was just existing T cells in capillary beds being kicked up into circulation, only to adhere and begin to intravasate a couple minutes later.

Re: Exercise increases number of immune cells in cancer patients

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Post by xenospn »

markus_zhang wrote: post #10
lockhouse wrote: post #4

Diet, exercise, enough sleep, and a good social support structure are pretty much the keys to good health in general. The fact that we have so many health issues in western society are because its so easy to neglect these things.

These are luxuries, not mandatories. That's why many people don't get them. They can't. I absolutely can't.

Is someone holding a gun to your head and preventing you from eating fruits and vegetables?
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