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I was laid off in retaliation for anti-discrimination whistleblowing

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Re: I was laid off in retaliation for anti-discrimination whistleblowing

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Post by desuforever »

pcthrowaway wrote: post #2

I noticed this submission had become "dead" due to flagging, and retaliation for whistleblowing seems like exactly the type of thing that a coordinated group would try to bury. I vouched for it. I don't have feelings one way or another on who is being wronged, but I thought the information was well-presented and coherent, and deserves consideration without being flagged. If the other party believes this is inaccurate…

the subreddit which is coordinating these attacks are very blatant, endorsed even by the powermods

Re: I was laid off in retaliation for anti-discrimination whistleblowing

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Post by jesterman »

pcthrowaway wrote: post #2

I noticed this submission had become "dead" due to flagging, and retaliation for whistleblowing seems like exactly the type of thing that a coordinated group would try to bury. I vouched for it. I don't have feelings one way or another on who is being wronged, but I thought the information was well-presented and coherent, and deserves consideration without being flagged. If the other party believes this is inaccurate…

It appears it was flagged again? I can't see it on the first 5 pages of the front pages of HN..

Re: I was laid off in retaliation for anti-discrimination whistleblowing

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Post by ketzu »

jimbob45 wrote: post #10
jesterman wrote: post #5

This is an incredible piece. The fact that the 20% of the company laid off were all minority groups is absolutely insane. LinkedIn says they have at minimum 50 employees, meaning at least 10 people were laid off. Here is their LinkedIn post (linked on their website), https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:activity:7058845... " It is estimated that one in five transgender people will experience homelessness. Unfo…

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My reading of that claim is 10 out of 10 people laid off were from marginalized groups. Not 20% of 10.

> Approximately 20% of the company was laid off, and to the best of my knowledge 100% of them were members of historically marginalized groups. Women, people of color, queer folks, and multiple people on disability and even maternity leave were specifically and disproportionately targeted.

Re: I was laid off in retaliation for anti-discrimination whistleblowing

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Post by transRfagz »

pcthrowaway wrote: post #20
floatingatoll wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thank you for doing so; it led me to see this post, and I appreciate that. I’ll vouch next time if I see it go back to [dead].

Your time to shine. Or can we get a ruling/override @dang ?

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Re: I was laid off in retaliation for anti-discrimination whistleblowing

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Post by jesterman »

jimbob45 wrote: post #10
jesterman wrote: post #5

This is an incredible piece. The fact that the 20% of the company laid off were all minority groups is absolutely insane. LinkedIn says they have at minimum 50 employees, meaning at least 10 people were laid off. Here is their LinkedIn post (linked on their website), https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:activity:7058845... " It is estimated that one in five transgender people will experience homelessness. Unfo…

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As frob said, given the size of the company and the statistic they gave that 20% of the company was laid off. The company laid off at least 10 people, and as she said in the article, they were ALL minorities. This feels statistically unlikely to be random chance.

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Post by danbolt »

jimbob45 wrote: post #10
jesterman wrote: post #5

This is an incredible piece. The fact that the 20% of the company laid off were all minority groups is absolutely insane. LinkedIn says they have at minimum 50 employees, meaning at least 10 people were laid off. Here is their LinkedIn post (linked on their website), https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:activity:7058845... " It is estimated that one in five transgender people will experience homelessness. Unfo…

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In reference of the HN Guidelines, I'd suggest assuming a little more good faith here.

Re: I was laid off in retaliation for anti-discrimination whistleblowing

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Post by ketzu »

kbenson wrote: post #11

> who asserted that Person A was “too aggressive” to succeed in the new role. Behaviors that were regularly rewarded in white, male peers, such as taking initiative to perform needed duties outside the scope of their role, were instead framed as negative indications of focus. > I provided written guidance to Ram, who was also my supervisor, on the ways in which this “vibes based” determination of inadequacy constitut…

> people referring to different things with the same terminology. Management is not an area I would want someone to be aggressive, as in confrontational, in. But in business aggression, as in ambition, is often seen as positive.

My understanding was that the author refers to "peers" as males in the same role, i.e., the arguments are made differently for people not based on their role, but based on their sex. They even reference specific arguments applied in opposite ways in the part you cite.

Re: I was laid off in retaliation for anti-discrimination whistleblowing

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Post by [deleted] »

glitchc wrote: post #13
wiredone wrote: post #6

Honestly, while I believe a lot of the perspective shared, there always seems to be a huge lack of objective assessment of options for these folks. In tech there are many incredibly high paying jobs - taking control over your situation has a low bar. if you don’t like your manager, taking the view that if you escalate a formal complaint to HR (in doing so lose all trust you manager and HR may have in you), you’ll be…

People should absolutely call out toxic work environments as just that. What's lacking is legislation protecting employee rights. Your approach is to cut and run, but ultimately people need to raise their voice for legislation to exist.

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Re: I was laid off in retaliation for anti-discrimination whistleblowing

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Post by begno »

throwaway202351 wrote: post #15
wiredone wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

… but you have to ask - why can’t this person find a job? Surely not every employer is non-inclusive. There’s smells of a partial story all through this.

As another trans person that's been in a similar position before, it's really frustrating how many loops I've gone through where the moment I'd get to some part where it wasn't voice only anymore, you could just hear the tone shift and get rejected shortly after. Combine that with the current tech market being on a downswing and it's not unreasonable that this would take a while to find a new place.

I've met more than one hiring manager who tacitly refuses to hire anyone who is transgendered. Of course this is only revealed in confidence, and they'll deny it if asked.

The reason is typically one or more of:

- they don't want the rest of the team to have to walk on eggshells regarding pronouns and so on, or

- they don't want to have to deal with any fallout from female employees getting pissed about males using their bathroom, or

- they've had a bad experience hiring a transgender previously (typically due to the previous two reasons) and don't want to repeat it with another.

Kind of sucks for the transgendered applicants, but understandable I suppose, given the circumstances these days.

Re: I was laid off in retaliation for anti-discrimination whistleblowing

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Post by kbenson »

ketzu wrote: post #27
kbenson wrote: post #11

> who asserted that Person A was “too aggressive” to succeed in the new role. Behaviors that were regularly rewarded in white, male peers, such as taking initiative to perform needed duties outside the scope of their role, were instead framed as negative indications of focus. > I provided written guidance to Ram, who was also my supervisor, on the ways in which this “vibes based” determination of inadequacy constitut…

> people referring to different things with the same terminology. Management is not an area I would want someone to be aggressive, as in confrontational, in. But in business aggression, as in ambition, is often seen as positive. My understanding was that the author refers to "peers" as males in the same role, i.e., the arguments are made differently for people not based on their role, but based on their sex. They eve…

Possibly? She was making a lateral move to a new discipline, and that ended up being a junior manager. Depending on how hands on a junior manager is with the position being managed in that company and department, that could mean little management work and lots of non-managerial work, or the exact opposite. To me, lots of managerial work in the new position would imply it was not so in the prior position.

In any case, I was trying to keep it abstract because I wasn't trying to be pro or con about this article, but instead make a point about communication, which is an interest of mine.

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