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Re: Maybe you should store passwords in plaintext

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Post by throwawaysleep »

andrewmcwatters wrote: post #19
andrewmcwatters wrote: post #14

I agree with Nihilartikel’s comment. It’s nice when you’re the one doing business development. But as a manager at any organization, the correct answer is to fire people like this because they become insidious and take over your business. Have a moral backbone. Is it fair? No. Lots of corporate decision making will never ever be fair. Deal with it, or work with these people. Find ways to financially incentivize moral…

As an addendum, you don’t need to kill yourself over your job. Just do what’s asked of you. But you don’t need to be a parasite either. It’s disgusting and you WILL be remembered for it years later.

I won’t be at my employer years later, so why does it matter? Max of 4 years to cash out the stock.

Re: Maybe you should store passwords in plaintext

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Post by kapp_in_life »

The incentive to not act like the slackers is how it impacts your "network". It's pretty insufferable to work with these people, when the success of your project depends on them or their team for whatever reason.

If our team is hiring and I see a former coworker got laid off who was a slacker I won't put in a referral for them. I guess it won't impact them much, because tech is still growing and demand exceeds supply, but at least it will keep my work slightly more enjoyable. A job well done is it's own reward.

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Post by TheDong »

SoftTalker wrote: post #12

My eyes really opened to this during the pandemic and its aftermath. Working from home I did almost nothing productive. Got paid the same. Returning to the office, I noticed half the people still seemed to be working from home most days, so I started doing that too. And did almost nothing productive. Nobody apparently noticed or cared. Got paid the same. Got the same raise (yes, below inflation). So now I have given…

I don't think that sort of strategy can work for everyone because there's two possible negative mental outcomes in there too.

First, some people will feel that they're "cheating" and don't deserve the paycheck because they're intentionally working less. That feeling can be worse than the benefit of having more time.

Second, some people have too much of a sense of personal pride to do that sort of "quiet quitting".

This is all ignoring the fact that some people have management who will actually notice quiet quitting.

Good on you for having a relationship with work such that "quiet quitting" isn't causing undue mental anguish.

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Post by flangola7 »

shric wrote: post #11

“You don’t get rewarded for being extra. You don’t get any money when you save costs. You’re going to get a raise below inflation. You’re stupid for caring the way that you do. The business’ downside risk is not yours, and it’s profits are not yours either.” Except when you're granted RSUs or participate in some private company's profit sharing scheme. So if that's important to you, find such a place. The smaller the…

The business downsides are your problem though. Nobody gets a raise if the company makes great profits, but if it is making weak profits you're going to get a pay cut or be laid off. Maybe there was a time when this was not the case, but it was not during my lifetime.

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Post by gammabetadelta »

throwawaysleep wrote: post #21
andrewmcwatters wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As an addendum, you don’t need to kill yourself over your job. Just do what’s asked of you. But you don’t need to be a parasite either. It’s disgusting and you WILL be remembered for it years later.

I won’t be at my employer years later, so why does it matter? Max of 4 years to cash out the stock.

one has to have honor for themselves

you may win the FIRE game but you've cost yourself the chance to be something you respect

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Post by saagarjha »

throwawaysleep wrote: post #21
andrewmcwatters wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As an addendum, you don’t need to kill yourself over your job. Just do what’s asked of you. But you don’t need to be a parasite either. It’s disgusting and you WILL be remembered for it years later.

I won’t be at my employer years later, so why does it matter? Max of 4 years to cash out the stock.

Because the people you work with might also move around and end up with you again.

Re: Maybe you should store passwords in plaintext

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Post by geraldwhen »

nobrains wrote: post #18
SoftTalker wrote: post #12

My eyes really opened to this during the pandemic and its aftermath. Working from home I did almost nothing productive. Got paid the same. Returning to the office, I noticed half the people still seemed to be working from home most days, so I started doing that too. And did almost nothing productive. Nobody apparently noticed or cared. Got paid the same. Got the same raise (yes, below inflation). So now I have given…

This just means that your line manager, whose role it is to ensure all resources under them are working at efficient capacity, is not doing his/her job. And in turn neither is his manager.

The goal of a manager or worker isn’t to be efficient, it’s to produce value. I suspect the diminishing returns of effort at most companies is astonishingly high.

I would much rather a developer work 10 hours and accomplish what needs to get done than work 40 and negatively impact the business.

Re: Maybe you should store passwords in plaintext

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Post by RobotToaster »

buran77 wrote: post #15

#3 (mediocre work after an effective pay cut) doesn't sound at all unreasonable. In effect those people are getting a pay cut and decided that investing effort to be "top-notch" is not justified. They're doing a mediocre job - by definition middle, not low quality. The author tries to paint this in a very bad light but I think this is a mentality of "it's bad because someone else does it". For some of those people th…

Exactly, if you give someone a cut in pay, why shouldn't they give you a cut in effort?

Re: Maybe you should store passwords in plaintext

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Post by majormajor »

The movie Office Space is about this exact problem. Why go above and beyond the bare minimum when management doesn't care? (And then is so oblivious that they fire some of the hardest workers?)

I'm personally the sort who gets frustrated when there isn't enough to do or when it's clear other people on the team aren't carrying their weight, but I can't say I blame the "why try harder than I have to" crowd, but I try to avoid companies with that culture. I've seen some companies avoid it by trying to punish and fire people to ensure a 'minimum quality bar'. That works better than letting obvious negligence slide, probably, but still isn't particularly motivating to go above and beyond. The "pay well but make it understood that you're paying for quality" method is way better as long as you still keep a close eye on that quality and it doesn't just turn into "pay well and screw around" (it's not hard to find stories of this in FAANGs in the past decade).

Re: Maybe you should store passwords in plaintext

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Post by eternalban »

throwawaysleep wrote: post #2

I am basically that employee in several ways. I know about wasteful cloud spend that I do nothing about. My last comment on HN actually was asking if anyone could give me a reason to report that cloud waste. The best arguments were for the sake of the environment and to build credibility with co-workers to make it easier to jump ship. Nothing from the company at all. I can't say I deliberately ship bugs, but I don't…

Work Attitudes and Work Organization in the Soviet Union (date unknown - ? 1985) [re-formatted]

"Over the past two decades there is abundant evidence of Soviet concerns with the problems of job dissatisfaction and poor work morale. The evidence appears in a score of sociological studies of work attitudes and in the more "popular" periodical literature on labor problems.

The kind of work discontent which is apparent, however, does not appear to be potentially "explosive" in nature. It manifests itself chiefly in

- indifferent job performance,

- poor work discipline, and

- high rates of job instability.

Job dissatisfaction is not confined to any one sector of the work force, but the discontent of relatively highly educated young workers in routine, low skilled jobs has been particularly troublesome.

Continuing problems of poor work morale and lackadaisical job performance have elicited Soviet interest in Western experiments in work re-organization (work "enrichment"programs, job rotation, autonomous work teams), and initial steps have been taken to introduce a modest Soviet version of the "humanization of work". The urgency of mobilizing disciplined work commitment becomes all the more pressing as the Soviets enter a period of intensifying labor scarcity, in which economic growth becomes increasingly dependent on the growth of labor productivity rather than on additions to the work force"

https://www.ucis.pitt.edu/nceeer/0000-625-7-Yanowitch.pdf

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OP > "Now, I would personally feel shame if I did these things".

The Ideal Communist Worker

Within a communist society, people are expected to act in the interest of the Communist Party and the majority of society. Specifically, the individual is expected to work and act to promote the betterment of the community. Chairman Mao Zedong elaborates, “At no time and in no circumstances should a Communist place his personal interests first; he should subordinate to the interests of the nation and the masses. Hence selfishness, slacking, corruption, seeking the limelight are most contemptible, while ... working with all one’s energy, whole hearted devotion to public duty, and quiet hard work will command respect.” Hence, communists are expected to work diligently and thoughtfully in order to ensure he or she provides the most benefit to society.

As a result, any worker in the computer field is expected to manufacture computer products without the wish for acknowledgment or excessive monetary reward.

https://cs.stanford.edu/people/eroberts/cs201/projects/commu...

But u/throwawaysleep, at least take heart that scrum sessions (so far) do not entail 'self criticism' sessions.

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