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Retro design is crippling innovation

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Re: Retro design is crippling innovation

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First thing I saw "Retro design is crippling innovation" followed by the left hand column "Subscribe to Wired Magazine for..." Magazine, how retro

No, I don't think that magazines count as retro design. The problem isn't that print magazines still exist; the problem would be if the online subscription was designed to look like a print magazine (static pages sizes, separate pages that had to be turned, no links, etc).

Re: Retro design is crippling innovation

#22
Often, I'm just as frustrated about the opposite problem... technology that is less functional than what it is replacing because it doesn't replicate important features in a natural way. For example, I feel like I can organize my physical music collection on shelves in my house more quickly, naturally, and helpfully than I can my digital music collection in any media player/music manager I've tried. Shouldn't our technology be at least as good as its counterpart?

Re: Retro design is crippling innovation

#23
If nothing else, this article made me consider all of the 'retro' ideas I live with everyday. It is amazing how much things advance while staying the same.

What other 'retro' tech hasn't changed much? The automobile?

Re: Retro design is crippling innovation

#24

I don't understand his criticism of the calendar. I WANT to see past dates. It gives me a context to what day of the week it is in relation to dates before and after today. Nothing irks me more when a calendar does not show days from last month on this month's calendar. Example: Wednesday is April 2... Was Monday March 30 or 31? It forces me to switch my entire calendar to get this info. I want to see days in March a…

> I don't understand his criticism of the calendar.

He's criticizing the case where the current date is April 30 and the calendar is still showing March 26, but not May 7, because you are on the April "page" still.

Re: Retro design is crippling innovation

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If his argument is valid, there's no logical reason to stop where he does. You see a continuous progression of weeks instead of discrete months; fine. But what about days? What's so special about the end of one day and the beginning of the next? Nothing - it's just an artifact of paper calendars, daily planners, and so on.

What a calendar should be, if we're going to truly abolish the tragedy of skeuomorphism, is a smoothly flowing timeline, with you at the front, diminishing logarithmically into the future. This way, you can clearly see your appointments. Should make the author happy.

The point is, sometimes we need to artificially break things up into manageable pieces. We think in milestones - the beginning of a season, midnight as a landmark showing how late you're staying up. Some skeuomorphic designs are only "incidentally" skeuomorphic, in that they solve a problem the right way, and just happen to resemble how people used to solve that problem.

Re: Retro design is crippling innovation

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post #22

Often, I'm just as frustrated about the opposite problem... technology that is less functional than what it is replacing because it doesn't replicate important features in a natural way. For example, I feel like I can organize my physical music collection on shelves in my house more quickly, naturally, and helpfully than I can my digital music collection in any media player/music manager I've tried. Shouldn't our tec…

So how do you search or sort by track name in your physical music collection?

Re: Retro design is crippling innovation

#27
I really hate criticism that doesn't suggest improvements. You can point out deficiencies all day, but until you have proposed or implied an improvement, you have not even proved that what you are criticizing is suboptimal, much less provided any helpful pointer towards improvement.

Unfortunately, the "old-fashioned, physical object" this design is based on is the human brain, or more precisely, the useful cultural artifacts that happen to be engrained in pretty much all the human brains on the planet. The monthly and weekly calendar reflects how we think about time. You think you can stop me from thinking in weeks and months by changing one calendar application? You'd have to work a little harder than that. Here's what you need to do:

1. Stop my company from scheduling my paychecks to coincide with the beginning and middle of each month. Stop them from organizing my work days into groups of five days in the middle of groups of seven, and stop people where I work from informally scheduling things with respect to month boundaries.

2. Do the same to the companies that employ all the people I occasionally synchronize my social schedule with.

3. Stop all the businesses I use from scheduling lessons and classes on a monthly basis and varying their hours on a weekly basis. Persuade the state government that it should be as easy to buy liquor on Sunday as on any other day. (That should be easy once you've abolished the days of the week; see 5.)

4. Detach holidays from dates. It would be so much nicer if Thanksgiving was the 329th day of the year instead of the fourth Thursday in November. That way I could forget about months and weeks, and my online calendar could make better use of screen space. (Again, this will follow easily once you've accomplished number 5.)

5. Abolish the days of the week and the months of the year. Prevent anyone from referring to Monday, Tuesday, January, etc., or to weeks and months at all, so I never have to think, "We're shipping on the first Monday of next month. How many days until then?"

After all that, I'll no longer want a calendar app that orients me with respect to weeks and months. You can get rid of your "skeuomorph," and I won't mind that my calendar app gives me no visual, non-verbal cues about what day of the week or week of the month it is.

So, sarcasm aside, you DO need to show month boundaries. It is not helpful to propose doing away with the one convention for that without proposing any replacement for it.

Also, it is not helpful to propose doing away with the past entirely. People are oriented by the past as well as by the future. Oh, dear, it's been a week since I told Doug that information would be available soon. I had better drop him a line and explain that it's delayed. My tooth has been hurting ever since I went to the dentist; how long has that been? When's the last time I worked out?

Showing the past is a valuable function! If you don't recognize that showing the past is part of the function of the calendar, then criticizing a calendar for showing too much of the past rings a little hollow, because you aren't balancing the valuable functions of the interface. You're just picking one and throwing out another.

A better statement of the problem is that the visual clues for month boundaries are the top and bottom of the displayed grid of days on the screen, and therefore the past to present ratio varies dramatically through the month. During some parts of the month, you see very little of the past, and during other parts of the month, you see very little of the future.

A useful suggestion would be to detach month boundaries from the edges of the displayed grid and show them in some other way, perhaps by using color or shading. That way you can keep the balance of past to present close to an optimum value. Perhaps the current week can be the second or third from the top. I'm not a UI designer, but I think that is a more useful analysis of the problem, even if I didn't show off a new word I learned a few weeks ago from a magazine article.

Re: Retro design is crippling innovation

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The author is off-target.

Apple went over the top with the new iCal GUI, but it wasn't an interaction problem. Users have mental models from cultural experience that dictate how they want to use things. In other words, "that software feels intuitive."

The issue I suspect the author actually has with the new iCal is that it goes over the top visually. Software doesn't have to mimic the gaudy ornamentation of a real world object to resemble it.

Re: Retro design is crippling innovation

#29
I keep wondering when we'll move away from the "pages" paradigm in e-books. We should be returning to the scroll paradigm (which is already a familiar motif in software), not forcing content to fit a physical format which the e-reader is precisely an attempt to get away from.

Worst case is when trying to highlight, as a single mark (with note attached), a section of text which spans more than 2 pages (esp. when a "page" is a large-font phone-screen size): I can't tap-and-drag from one end of the section to then next because the "page" paradigm intervenes. Web page? word processing? no problem, we're used to highlighting via scrolling. E-book? scroll? nope, gotta match that page-flipping animation.

Re: Retro design is crippling innovation

#30

I keep wondering when we'll move away from the "pages" paradigm in e-books. We should be returning to the scroll paradigm (which is already a familiar motif in software), not forcing content to fit a physical format which the e-reader is precisely an attempt to get away from. Worst case is when trying to highlight, as a single mark (with note attached), a section of text which spans more than 2 pages (esp. when a "pa…

Scrolls do have one disadvantage over pages. It's hard to communicate where you are in one without some indexing aid. Any scrolling technology seems to be devoid of that.

I think that's why the page paradigm has persisted. It's all about familiarity.

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