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Europe’s Longest Bicycling Tunnel Opens in Norway

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Re: Europe’s Longest Bicycling Tunnel Opens in Norway

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The best thing about pedestrian/cycling bridges and tunnels is that they cost soooo much less money to build since they have so much laxer requirements. The reason why we still have roman bridges standing is because the stress contribution of a human walking on it is basically zero. But start bringing in cars and trucks and see it crumble in a week

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I yearn for the day when I can use my swan pedal boat to go to China to pick up my aliexpress shipment.

Re: Europe’s Longest Bicycling Tunnel Opens in Norway

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Why can't we support and encourage cycling without vilifying cars in these threads? I've seen plenty of places that do both very well, like Spain. Everybody has a car and bicycle (at least one) and uses whatever fits the purpose at the time.

I get it, when there's not cycling infrastructure everybody is forced to take the car even if it doesn't make any sense, like for short trips, good weather, single passenger, no significant cargo, etc. But there's plenty of occasions when you really need a car.

Also, taking Spain as an example again, scooters and motorcycles are often a better compromise. Practical speed for longer distances like commuting to work, better weather protection, larger cargo capacity, can take 2 people, etc. Why are they always ignored in these threads? Is this an American thing?

Re: Europe’s Longest Bicycling Tunnel Opens in Norway

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The best thing about pedestrian/cycling bridges and tunnels is that they cost soooo much less money to build since they have so much laxer requirements. The reason why we still have roman bridges standing is because the stress contribution of a human walking on it is basically zero. But start bringing in cars and trucks and see it crumble in a week

Eh, not exactly. Pedestrians are heavier than cars in terms of pounds per square foot. Bridges are designed for extreme loads, including pessimistic pattern loading, and the requirements for pedestrian bridges aren’t any less safety critical. (edit: I designed this bridge: https://www.google.com/maps/@47.597616,-122.3297804,3a,75y,7... )

Yeah, the potential loading is annoying. I remember wondering why predestrian/cycle bridges were always so annoyingly narrow despite having low loads. The issue is of course that they have to be strong enough to support being crammed with hundreds of people when everyone is there to watch the local fireworks/rowing race/anything else that's happening, even if that happens almost never.

Re: Europe’s Longest Bicycling Tunnel Opens in Norway

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The best thing about pedestrian/cycling bridges and tunnels is that they cost soooo much less money to build since they have so much laxer requirements. The reason why we still have roman bridges standing is because the stress contribution of a human walking on it is basically zero. But start bringing in cars and trucks and see it crumble in a week

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But that's not what I implied

Re: Europe’s Longest Bicycling Tunnel Opens in Norway

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In Amsterdam a bridge over the water connecting Central Amsterdam with the North is always a hot topic, for decades of talking about it sill hasn't materialized.

A few serious alternatives that were proposed where tunnels for bikes. But they consistently decide not to do it because of safety concerns at night.

Which is hopefully a bigger issue in Amsterdam than Bergen.

Re: Europe’s Longest Bicycling Tunnel Opens in Norway

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The best thing about pedestrian/cycling bridges and tunnels is that they cost soooo much less money to build since they have so much laxer requirements. The reason why we still have roman bridges standing is because the stress contribution of a human walking on it is basically zero. But start bringing in cars and trucks and see it crumble in a week

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I'm a Notjustbikes superfan and love my bike, but container ships are a marvel of efficiency and emissions per kg per km are probably better for the ship.

cyclist: 21g CO2 per km lifecycle - https://ecf.com/news-and-events/news/how-much-co2-does-cycli...

Say I can manage 100kg on a cargo bike, that puts us at 210mg CO2 per km per kg.

Container ship: 16g CO2 per tonne per km - https://8billiontrees.com/carbon-offsets-credits/carbon-ecol...

1 tonne = 1000kg so 16 / 1000 = 16mg CO2 per km per kg

Of course, that will massively depend on diet, conditions, and whether the bike trip was taken purely for transporting goods or whether I needed a workout anyway and it's a two birds with one stone situation. Then again, the sheer efficiency of container shipping might be why I take it as given I can buy some random cheap item manufactured 10,000 km away for a few euro and thereby bring about Jevon's paradox.

I'd still take a EuroVelo route to Canada though if it's on offer!

Re: Europe’s Longest Bicycling Tunnel Opens in Norway

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I'm a Notjustbikes superfan and love my bike, but container ships are a marvel of efficiency and emissions per kg per km are probably better for the ship. cyclist: 21g CO2 per km lifecycle - https://ecf.com/news-and-events/news/how-much-co2-does-cycli... Say I can manage 100kg on a cargo bike, that puts us at 210mg CO2 per km per kg. Container ship: 16g CO2 per tonne per km - https://8billiontrees.com/carbon-offsets-…

Imagine a cyclist who exists on a diet of beans, beer and dairy. Perhaps slightly lower CO2 emissions but vastly more methane and various mercaptans :D

Re: Europe’s Longest Bicycling Tunnel Opens in Norway

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Why can't we support and encourage cycling without vilifying cars in these threads? I've seen plenty of places that do both very well, like Spain. Everybody has a car and bicycle (at least one) and uses whatever fits the purpose at the time. I get it, when there's not cycling infrastructure everybody is forced to take the car even if it doesn't make any sense, like for short trips, good weather, single passenger, no…

Where did you see people vilifying cars at the time of your post ?
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