Beaten ex-SF fire commissioner accused of bear spray attacks on homeless people • Hacker News Board

Re: Beaten ex-SF fire commissioner accused of bear spray attacks on homeless people

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Post by cafard » Thu, Apr 27, 2023, 2:03 PM UTC

NoZebra120vClip wrote: post #12

bastard_op wrote: post #7

> "I didn't go out there to fight anyone," Carmignani told CBS. "I'm trying to get them down the road, go to the park." Yeah, well doesn't seem that way to anyone else. Guess this is what it's become. At what point to do they cordon off San Francisco as a zone of abandonment and urban warfare now? Seems on par with South Central LA of the 80's, only that had less shit involved, literally and figuratively, just bullet…

The reason that Black Lives Matter today is because gangstas have owned the streets for 40+ years. It is certainly unjust that any innocent should die at the hands of a police officer, but it is not unexpected, that after 40 years of no-holds-barred, take-no-prisoners gang warfare in the streets of every major metro and urb, that police have developed an itchy trigger finger when it comes to confrontations with the g…

I would point out that George Floyd, whose death brought on protests, riots, the proliferation of BLM signs, etc., was not shot, was in fact in custody.

Re: Beaten ex-SF fire commissioner accused of bear spray attacks on homeless people

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Post by Natsu » Thu, Apr 27, 2023, 6:11 PM UTC

anigbrowl wrote: post #9

Natsu wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think we should also reflect that the only evidence so far is a video of someone wearing a mask and I've yet to see any other public evidence that it's actually this same guy - > Joe Alioto Veronese, an attorney who is close to Carmignani, said he viewed an image provided by a neighborhood group of a suspect in the earlier attacks on homeless people. He said the person was not Carmignani. > “It doesn’t look anythin…

Not true. The article mentions that all 8 incidents took place in the same vicinity and the public defender asserts that it's the same kind of bear spray Carmignani had when when he encountered Doty. > “It doesn’t look anything like Don,” Alioto Veronese said. “It’s a whole different guy.” The baseball cap and mask make identification uncertain, but it could certainly be him. That the police inspector preëmptively in…

If they suspect him so strongly one might think they should actually charge him.

Re: Beaten ex-SF fire commissioner accused of bear spray attacks on homeless people

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Post by antisthenes » Thu, Apr 27, 2023, 9:42 PM UTC

browserman wrote: post #4

64operator wrote: post #3

Vigilante Justice is inevitable when society breaks down. And it’s broken down in SF.

I'm having trouble parsing who you think is the wronged party here, but to be clear this fire official was going around bear spraying random innocuous homeless people before one of his victims fought back and beat him up.

The guilty party is the guy with the bear spray who's had "vigilante justice" done to him in the form of being beaten with a metal rod.

Re: Beaten ex-SF fire commissioner accused of bear spray attacks on homeless people

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Post by Freedom2 » Fri, Apr 28, 2023, 3:33 AM UTC

flangola7 wrote: post #15

Freedom2 wrote: post #13

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Could you describe what other kinds of eliminationist rhetoric you encounter on this site?

Anything invoicing trans people like me, and especially anything involving families with trans kids. It's not by accident that everyone in my immediate social circle carries a weapon of some kind now. The existential threat from both the state and other citizens grows daily.

I'm genuinely sorry to hear that. Unfortunately, this forum looks to attract a certain kind of people, and those people find it easy to hide uncouth comments under the guise of "curious discussion".

It doesn't help that moderation is almost non-existent, aside from when VC's get put under blast, or when . Asking for sources for ridiculous comments (eg: Dropbox laid off people in order of performance) gets flagged, then removed, but off-topic humor in bad taste remains.