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A.I. imagery may destroy history as we know it

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Re: A.I. imagery may destroy history as we know it

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Let me get my broken record out to say that "trust" in certain institutions, as well as cryptographic signing, will become even more indispensable over time. Webs of trust where items and documents are signed by trusted organizations to be authentic/unaltered, since we won't be able to trust our eyes or ears.

HDCP lasted... I think it might have been three years, the second time? Or maybe four years, I can't recall.

Why would any kind of camera photo signing algorithm fare better?

Re: A.I. imagery may destroy history as we know it

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> The hands are often a tell-tale sign of the incompetence of an A.I. program. Curiously prescient: it was the hands of the robots in the original film, Westworld (1973), that were a tell-tale sign that they were not living.

There's also a technique for lucid dreaming where you make a point to look carefully at your hands throughout the day until it becomes an unconscious habit. The idea is that they won't look quite right in a dream, and you'll therefore realize that you're dreaming. I wonder if there's any particular significance to hands beyond them being conveniently accessible, or if any similar ritual would work as long as the indi…

Any similar ritual works. The dreaming brain is super bad at consistency. If you know something really well, like looking at your hands, wristwatch, or something else. You'll see obvious distortions and other weirdness while dreaming.

I think the distortions are always there. We are just not in a state of mind where details matters when dreaming.

Re: A.I. imagery may destroy history as we know it

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post #16

> The hands are often a tell-tale sign of the incompetence of an A.I. program. Curiously prescient: it was the hands of the robots in the original film, Westworld (1973), that were a tell-tale sign that they were not living.

There's also a technique for lucid dreaming where you make a point to look carefully at your hands throughout the day until it becomes an unconscious habit. The idea is that they won't look quite right in a dream, and you'll therefore realize that you're dreaming. I wonder if there's any particular significance to hands beyond them being conveniently accessible, or if any similar ritual would work as long as the indi…

Yes, exactly I remeber when I was younger and experimenting with lucid dreaming, when I spotted something weird I checked my hands and told myself "ten fingers, not a dream" every time. And trully when I was dreaming my hand was deformed, so if I paid attention to it I could start lucid dreaming. So maybe we are not that much off with NN

Re: A.I. imagery may destroy history as we know it

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Faking images to try and change history is as old as Stalin: https://www.history.com/news/josef-stalin-great-purge-photo-...

No, it's way, way older. As in "Hapsburg portraits" and "Ming Dynasty scrolls" old. And let's not forget the last time a technology came around that could "fool history"; how many people still believe the moon landing was shot on a sound stage? The notion that historians only care about images, without caring about their provenance, is absurd.

I don't know how many, but I know I do.

Re: A.I. imagery may destroy history as we know it

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If you use these artifacts of models encompass everyone in a single ahistoric present narrative where they no longer believe anything because the images and stories they hear are filtered through a fear of being misled, you have reduced them to captives, or something lower and much worse.

Destroying history wasn't unique to the 20th century either. From burning the library at Alexandria to the Church's destruction of mesoamerican culture, it's a common tactic of dominion. The march of that ideology through Russia and Asia was designed to erase the history and identity of those people as a means to subjugate them as well, so while AI is a powerful technology, this is nobody's first rodeo.

The antidote to the AI/simulation/mental prison problem is the same as it ever was. Perhaps even with higher quality reasoning now that we can see the sophistication of something that is just a material language model. It is a material artifact, not alive or conscious, and whose products are simulacra. Even with access to all our data, what can an AI know of the experience of a being that created it, and what would it mean for our own ontology if we incorporated this knowledge as an analogy for our own experience?

That said, after I read some philosophy and religion, and some of this AI safety and simulation hypothesis stuff, I almost became a vegetarian because it wasn't so much the cruelty of eating veal I could no longer bear, but the irony.

Re: A.I. imagery may destroy history as we know it

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's also a technique for lucid dreaming where you make a point to look carefully at your hands throughout the day until it becomes an unconscious habit. The idea is that they won't look quite right in a dream, and you'll therefore realize that you're dreaming. I wonder if there's any particular significance to hands beyond them being conveniently accessible, or if any similar ritual would work as long as the indi…

Any similar ritual works. The dreaming brain is super bad at consistency. If you know something really well, like looking at your hands, wristwatch, or something else. You'll see obvious distortions and other weirdness while dreaming. I think the distortions are always there. We are just not in a state of mind where details matters when dreaming.

Which goes with the very topic of Christopher Nolan's movie Inception (2010, with Leonardo DiCaprio et al)

Re: A.I. imagery may destroy history as we know it

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post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How?

Digital signatures on photos, with each camera certificate signed by the manufacturer. Not sure why they don't do it at scale yet.

Given how much AI processing is done to images on-camera (well, on-phone more often) these days, I'm not sure this could provide valid "proof of genuineness".

For an example of on-phone manipulation, search for the Samsung moon incident.

Re: A.I. imagery may destroy history as we know it

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Some people feel threatened by AI because it makes their skills or creations seem outdated, and they blame AI for their problems. They see AI as the enemy. It's hard for them to accept, but AI is here to stay. Eventually, they will have to come to terms with it. Once they let go of their pride and stop focusing on the wrong things, everyone will realize the incredible benefits AI can offer humanity. It's worrisome th…

You've begun the conversation, but what is the next step? You've identified that people feel threatened. Why do you think that is? It strikes me that pride is rarely a defensive response. What are the things they should be focusing on? In a system defined by one's ability to capitalize on one's individual importance, what less unfortunate mindset should be taken?

You've answered your own question: Change the system.

If we get too good at automating jobs there should be a social safety net so we can all enjoy the fruits of AI.

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