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Farouk al Kasim saved Norway from its oil (2014)

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Re: Farouk al Kasim saved Norway from its oil (2014)

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Is that deployed infrastructure today to handle needs and scaling for the future? I know Germany was cutting back on nuclear.

I think we're getting a bit off-topic here, but in a nutshell: The current government of Sweden wants to build new nuclear power plants to scale up the power supply for the future.

That’s good to know. Thanks!!!

Re: Farouk al Kasim saved Norway from its oil (2014)

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Using it internally would not be a good idea, though. That amount of money fueled directly into the economy would make our inflation even worse than it is.

I think this really highlights the attitude - don't invest money because it might harm the money. Money is for putting in foreign assets, so that rather than a large amount of money now, you can have a small trickle of money later.

If there's will and ability to pay back.

Re: Farouk al Kasim saved Norway from its oil (2014)

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I think this really highlights the attitude - don't invest money because it might harm the money. Money is for putting in foreign assets, so that rather than a large amount of money now, you can have a small trickle of money later.

Rather so that you can have the "small trickle" perpetually.

Yeah, countries always have this, they're called taxpayers. If you invest in them, they can pay you more taxes than you put in. If you make their lives good, then people can even make _more_ people! Instead, Norway invests in American businesses in order to get that slow trickle, so instead of investing in their own people and industries, they have a slow trickle which can gives pension to a population in decline.

Re: Farouk al Kasim saved Norway from its oil (2014)

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Stupid use of funds for the most part, it's not re-invested in the country, just the American stock market. It's not like they had to buy solid gold rolls royces, but there's no reinvestment internally other than oil and fish. Norway is a hedge fund with the F-35.

They're probably trying to avoid some of the economic mistakes made by the Dutch when they started producing natural gas: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_disease

Re: Farouk al Kasim saved Norway from its oil (2014)

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In Norway and Sweden (shared grid): Primarily electric hydro + nuclear power. Wind power adds to the mix when it's windy - and it often is. (Here's the complete picture regarding the grid: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synchronous_grid_of_Continenta... ) There are power cables between RG Nordic and RG Continental Europe/RG Baltic/RG GB but to my knowledge they are all via high voltage DC - so not AC phase synced.

well today I learned something interesting: Norway and Sweden aren't on the big grid that covers most of Europe.

Here's a bonus: western half of Denmark is on the continental europe synchronous grid and the eastern half is on the Nordic grid.

Re: Farouk al Kasim saved Norway from its oil (2014)

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What do you plan to use instead of fossil fuels today?

In Norway and Sweden (shared grid): Primarily electric hydro + nuclear power. Wind power adds to the mix when it's windy - and it often is. (Here's the complete picture regarding the grid: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synchronous_grid_of_Continenta... ) There are power cables between RG Nordic and RG Continental Europe/RG Baltic/RG GB but to my knowledge they are all via high voltage DC - so not AC phase synced.

IMO Sweden and Norway need to separate domestic and export electricity prices so that they can come back to having cheap energy as a genuine advantage for its industry.

Re: Farouk al Kasim saved Norway from its oil (2014)

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Disclosure: I'm a Swede who previously worked in various primarily Norwegian-owned software companies for two decades. I'm mostly happy about how it went. I also got some insights about Norway along the way via the 100+ trips to Oslo during that last decade when I had an engineering management role. That travel schedule was exhausting. My pet peeve about Norway and oil: How very few people ever call them out on being…

I'm Norwegian, and I agree. We have deluded ourselves to believe our oil is "clean" and "green". And while stopping the pumps would probably wreak havoc on our economy, we could at least stop looking for new fields while emptying the ones we have for some more years. So slowly wean off the oil tit. But every time that's suggested, the government says "develop, not stop". And use straw men like "we can't stop abruptly…

You mean to say Norwegians in general actually think the Norwegian oil is "clean" and "green" just because the operations to pump it up are? I mean, brain-washing can be effective, especially when there's a financial motive to believe it.

Re: Farouk al Kasim saved Norway from its oil (2014)

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I wish my country would make "stupid" investments to the tune of $250,000 per citizen set aside for a rainy day (or decade).

It's better than the poke in the eye, that's for sure, I just don't think it's optimal and I'm tired of the way this story gets trotted out every now and then. I think there's a middle ground between solid gold rocket cars and rainy-day austerity. Norway is quite under developed in many ways, many services you'd think would be better just aren't, once the oil gets switched off they don't have much modern industry as…

Oil's far more likely to taper off. A trillion dollars in the bank will cushion that transition quite well.

Re: Farouk al Kasim saved Norway from its oil (2014)

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It really is amazing that there is a list as long as your arm of economies dominated by natural resource extraction for whom it has been a curse. And then there's Norway. The sole exception.

Chile hasn't done half bad either. It's perhaps worth noting that Pinochet — neoliberal reputation notwithstanding — didn't undo Allende's nationalization of the country's copper mining industry:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Codelco

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