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Mayan ball game scoreboard thought to be over 1k years old found in Mexico

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Re: Mayan ball game scoreboard thought to be over 1k years old found in Mexico

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Howcome everything old we dig up get this "probably ritual use" stamp?

“Ritual use” is a term of art in archaeology. It refers to any object whose survival/economic use is not readily apparent. Basically, anything that isn’t a basic tool (and many things that are tools if they’re decorated) are considered ritual objects.

It doesn’t imply any religious purpose. Lots of what people do in life is composed of rituals. Morning coffee ritual, for example.

Re: Mayan ball game scoreboard thought to be over 1k years old found in Mexico

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I really wish ancient sports would make a comeback. I would give an arm and leg to spectate at an ancient sports demo event. Sort of Renaissance fair meets Olympics vibe.

Agreed, and more generally, I would love to know what life was like for these people. We have an advanced civilization that was almost totally wiped out. Millions of people living their lives independently of western civilization. I’ve toyed with the idea of plotting the era and location of popular TV and movie narratives. I think you’d find that most of them are very narrowly focused on a handful of places and times…

I guess it's more difficult to make characters with radically different lives and concerns be relatable. I wouldn't say it's impossible, but not many series are going for high effort right now when it's so easy to make money shipping a rehash of a formula proven to make money.

Re: Mayan ball game scoreboard thought to be over 1k years old found in Mexico

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I really wish ancient sports would make a comeback. I would give an arm and leg to spectate at an ancient sports demo event. Sort of Renaissance fair meets Olympics vibe.

This specific type of ball game is widely known and advertised in Mexico, to the point that the following type of events is organised:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKvQjgC9sIY

But as said in another comment, it's just an interpretation, it's really hard to tell if it's anything like the original intent of the sport/ritual.

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Here's an optimistic video about a different modern approach to what is known of the game:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYJxng6i4NQ

Re: Mayan ball game scoreboard thought to be over 1k years old found in Mexico

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Howcome everything old we dig up get this "probably ritual use" stamp?

I once went to an Ohio State football pre-game show where the band played and they had the players march through into the main stadium. Everyone was wearing the team colors, every song they played had these hand gestures and words you had to do and say along with the music, and there were all sorts of odd seemingly out of nowhere cheers and exclamations by the fans, the players and the various highly dressed up music…

What you're describing is a ritual in any interpretation of the word.

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Howcome everything old we dig up get this "probably ritual use" stamp?

“Ritual use” is a term of art in archaeology. It refers to any object whose survival/economic use is not readily apparent. Basically, anything that isn’t a basic tool (and many things that are tools if they’re decorated) are considered ritual objects. It doesn’t imply any religious purpose. Lots of what people do in life is composed of rituals. Morning coffee ritual, for example.

It is beyond ridiculous at this point, and serves to make people not take archeology seriously anymore. Where's the shame in admitting they don't know what an object was for?

And a coffee maker is not for ritual use, it is for making coffee.

Re: Mayan ball game scoreboard thought to be over 1k years old found in Mexico

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Every time I hear about something ancient being discovered that has writing on it, I immediately ask What does it say?! I realize it may take a lot of time and effort to decipher these things, but I think we have a pretty good handle on most Maya writing.

Re: Mayan ball game scoreboard thought to be over 1k years old found in Mexico

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

“Ritual use” is a term of art in archaeology. It refers to any object whose survival/economic use is not readily apparent. Basically, anything that isn’t a basic tool (and many things that are tools if they’re decorated) are considered ritual objects. It doesn’t imply any religious purpose. Lots of what people do in life is composed of rituals. Morning coffee ritual, for example.

It is beyond ridiculous at this point, and serves to make people not take archeology seriously anymore. Where's the shame in admitting they don't know what an object was for? And a coffee maker is not for ritual use, it is for making coffee.

I think you could make a very, very compelling case that the process of making coffee is, for many people (especially those really into it), an important ritual which has a lot of significance beyond the specific output. Look at the discourse around the James Hoffman AeroPress saga and tell me that shit isn't insanely ritualized.

Nothing religious or spiritual (usually), but you get a lot of time/structure/cycle/morning/sleep/work semiology out of the coffee ritual. In fact, this is so true that coffee as a beverage has adopted significant phenomenological value external to its utility due to cultural osmosis - we have very strong associations between coffee and a variety of abstract qualities: work, awakeness, sleep deprivation, productivity, etc. And, these qualities are quite different between cultures even if the actual raw output/process of production are pretty much the same for many.

Re: Mayan ball game scoreboard thought to be over 1k years old found in Mexico

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Interesting that it was found at Chichen Itza, where millions of people visit a year. An escavation was started there to go even deeper than the pyramid base, but that was paused due to lack of funding. Now you just see a moat on one side that hints at what lies beneath. The tour guide had said that the pyramid is actually constructed on fill above a sink hole.

Re: Mayan ball game scoreboard thought to be over 1k years old found in Mexico

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Does anyone have a source in how this can be used as a scoreboard? I only ask such a specific question because it seems like a very specific object to recognize it as.

I assume there would be some indicator placed next to a symbol around the edge but was a bit disappointed to see nothing describing it in the article. Maybe too obvious to state?

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I really wish ancient sports would make a comeback. I would give an arm and leg to spectate at an ancient sports demo event. Sort of Renaissance fair meets Olympics vibe.

You might like The Moche Toss. An ancient Peruvian sport/ceremony in which participants use atlatls and darts to launch feathered objects into the air, and then try to ensnare them before they hit the ground.

It has been filmed in slow motion in this beautiful video.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=k99dR1UTqPM

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