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A Computer Generated Swatting Service Is Causing Havoc Across America

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Re: A Computer Generated Swatting Service Is Causing Havoc Across America

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Is swatting a thing outside of the US? I've never heard of it happening here in the Netherlands. It seems to me that the concept of swatting requires a not-to-competent shoot-first-ask-questions-later police force. If the US police force uniquely has these qualities, it seems prudent to reorganise it.

US police can and are frequently shot and killed. US citizens can legally carry guns. That's the difference. US policing is different because the risks are different. Moreover, if there's a report of a hostage situation or gun violence, there is a chance that the situation is real and unfolding live. These are two very different lists: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_law_enforcement_office... https://en.wikiped…

> frequently shot and killed

I'm struggling to find statistics more recent than 2019, but perhaps skipping the anomalous COVID years is for the best. Anyway, in 2019 [0], 89 officers died in the line of duty, of which just under half (44) were due to gun violence. The number of full time police officers in 2019 was in the region of 700k [1]. That's a fatality rate of under 13 per 100,000 - certainly higher than the national average of 3.6, but far less than jobs highlighted as "occupations with high fatal work injury rates" [2] (who are mostly tradespeople or people that operate heavy machinery).

[0] https://www.fbi.gov/news/press-releases/fbi-releases-2019-st...

[1] https://www.statista.com/statistics/191694/number-of-law-enf...

[2] https://www.bls.gov/charts/census-of-fatal-occupational-inju...

Re: A Computer Generated Swatting Service Is Causing Havoc Across America

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In some future, completing a CAPTCHA, will be a prerequisite for contacting public services.

Right, because in a real time-critical emergency people really want to be doing "find all the squares that include a traffic light" in a bunch of fuzzy pictures.

Re: A Computer Generated Swatting Service Is Causing Havoc Across America

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It’s time to have tough gun control, because blue lives matter, said literally no one in America.

Except for the police, who call for gun control all the time, because of the obvious self interest. You can see the policy paper of the International Association of Chiefs of Police: https://www.theiacp.org/sites/default/files/2018-08/IACP%20F... The IACP has been a strong supporter of the assault weapons ban since 1992, and our membership has approved several reauthorizations of support in the years since. The membe…

Nice try but the assault weapons ban is almost the weakest form of gun control, right behind “no guns for the clinically insane.” Handguns are involved in vastly more death and crime, yet no one tries to stop them.

Concealed firearms are what terrify police, so why not strictly license concealable firearms?

Re: A Computer Generated Swatting Service Is Causing Havoc Across America

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Is swatting a thing outside of the US? I've never heard of it happening here in the Netherlands. It seems to me that the concept of swatting requires a not-to-competent shoot-first-ask-questions-later police force. If the US police force uniquely has these qualities, it seems prudent to reorganise it.

> If the US police force uniquely has these qualities, it seems prudent to reorganise it.

Part of the problem is that there is no "US police force" to overhaul. There are federal police (FBI, DEA, ATF, ICE, TSA, etc), state police, county police, local police, sheriffs, military police, special task forces and more. Reforming any one group is a big job, reforming the whole system is borderline impossible without a revolution or something.

Re: A Computer Generated Swatting Service Is Causing Havoc Across America

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Can't they just trace back the phone caller id, and file charges for bogus calls? It's not clear in the article, is it spoofed or overseas numbers making the calls? Would 911 service prioritise calls without verified caller id to the level of sending armed swat teams?

Between STIR/SHAKEN and NSA, this guy hasn't been found yet?

Even if they catch this person it could be some random psychopath in a country that doesn't cooperate with us law enforcement.

Everyone's worried about AI taking their jobs and becoming an evil overlord of the world... They've overlooked millions of soft targets and the risk posed to critical infrastructure and daily life.

Re: A Computer Generated Swatting Service Is Causing Havoc Across America

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

US police can and are frequently shot and killed. US citizens can legally carry guns. That's the difference. US policing is different because the risks are different. Moreover, if there's a report of a hostage situation or gun violence, there is a chance that the situation is real and unfolding live. These are two very different lists: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_law_enforcement_office... https://en.wikiped…

> US police can and are frequently shot and killed. Feels a bit disingenuous when more cops died of C19 in 2022 than from gunfire - 60 deaths in 2022 compared with 74 for C19. Also US cops killed almost 1100 people in 2022 - I think they have the better side of the 18-1 ratio here. (Also taking the first 10 as a sample - 2 were off-duty and 1 was shot by his own colleagues which isn't really "policing is risky", more…

It's possible for some cops to die of Covid while others die of gunfire. These facts are not at odds with each other.

It's obvious that US cops kill way more people than in other countries, but also that they get killed more often. They are more likely to kill because the US is designed to be a much more dangerous country than most, but also because they receive a lot less training, and training more focused on shooting, than in most countries.

Re: A Computer Generated Swatting Service Is Causing Havoc Across America

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post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

US police can and are frequently shot and killed. US citizens can legally carry guns. That's the difference. US policing is different because the risks are different. Moreover, if there's a report of a hostage situation or gun violence, there is a chance that the situation is real and unfolding live. These are two very different lists: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_law_enforcement_office... https://en.wikiped…

> frequently shot and killed I'm struggling to find statistics more recent than 2019, but perhaps skipping the anomalous COVID years is for the best. Anyway, in 2019 [0], 89 officers died in the line of duty, of which just under half (44) were due to gun violence. The number of full time police officers in 2019 was in the region of 700k [1]. That's a fatality rate of under 13 per 100,000 - certainly higher than the n…

It is well-known that policing is not among the absolute highest-fatality occupations. However, that's beside the point. Airplanes are not the highest-fatality form of transportation (in fact they are quite safe) yet plane crashes grab attention and headlines, as do police fatalities, solidifying the perception of danger and sympathy among the public.

Re: A Computer Generated Swatting Service Is Causing Havoc Across America

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> US police can and are frequently shot and killed. Feels a bit disingenuous when more cops died of C19 in 2022 than from gunfire - 60 deaths in 2022 compared with 74 for C19. Also US cops killed almost 1100 people in 2022 - I think they have the better side of the 18-1 ratio here. (Also taking the first 10 as a sample - 2 were off-duty and 1 was shot by his own colleagues which isn't really "policing is risky", more…

It's possible for some cops to die of Covid while others die of gunfire. These facts are not at odds with each other. It's obvious that US cops kill way more people than in other countries, but also that they get killed more often. They are more likely to kill because the US is designed to be a much more dangerous country than most, but also because they receive a lot less training, and training more focused on shoot…

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Re: A Computer Generated Swatting Service Is Causing Havoc Across America

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Is swatting a thing outside of the US? I've never heard of it happening here in the Netherlands. It seems to me that the concept of swatting requires a not-to-competent shoot-first-ask-questions-later police force. If the US police force uniquely has these qualities, it seems prudent to reorganise it.

The best way i can explain it is if the handhaving was a step stupider and had free access to military assault gear. :/

Re: A Computer Generated Swatting Service Is Causing Havoc Across America

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Between STIR/SHAKEN and NSA, this guy hasn't been found yet?

Even if they catch this person it could be some random psychopath in a country that doesn't cooperate with us law enforcement. Everyone's worried about AI taking their jobs and becoming an evil overlord of the world... They've overlooked millions of soft targets and the risk posed to critical infrastructure and daily life.

Eventually the call makes its way onto U.S. copper. That gateway carrier should bear some responsibility for how its customers are abusing its service. For example, why do they seemingly allow one customer to make so many 911 calls?
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