Pretty amazing that you can achieve such a throughput in a Golang userspace program. I wonder if other UDP based protocols like QUIC can attain those numbers as well.
Surpassing 10Gb/S over Tailscale
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Re: Surpassing 10Gb/S over Tailscale
#22They have Magic DNS, but that only works for individual Tailscale nodes. I want multiple DNA records pointing to a single Tailscale node. Would be even better if I could use my own domain (subdomain even better) instead of their long `foo-bar.ts.net` domain.
Currently need to do this manually, but seems overly redundant since Tailscale already does 90% of this with MagicDNS and is fast because it's in their client vs a remote server.
Re: Surpassing 10Gb/S over Tailscale
#23Pretty amazing that you can achieve such a throughput in a Golang userspace program. I wonder if other UDP based protocols like QUIC can attain those numbers as well.
is the go userspace program actually shoveling this data or are they in-kernel buffer copies a la sendfile and the like
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#24Earlier quoted context omitted.
I've switched to tailscale because their nat busting is actually hard to do "by hand"
That’s sort of the problem, right. Joining two networks is pretty simple, once you do it a few times. I remember when it was mandatory to know how to set up an email server (for more than one user), configure a secure FTP (+ WebDAV for a little while), and probably other things I’ve totally forgetting about. These things were passed down from senior to junior like we pass down how to write Docker images, and set up o…
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#25Nice improvements! I'd be interested to see how much overhead tailscales magicsock adds and what a flamegraph after the change looks like. Mostly crypto or still a lot of networking syscall time?
Overall the summary of time spent is still a similar story at the coarse scale - our recent optimizations mean that we're getting ever closer to the point where we need to start working on the next layer, such as optimizing the queues (visible here in the chanrecv and scheduler times - Go runtime stuff), and once we get that out of the way things like crypto and copying will become targets. The work goes on, we have lots of plans and ideas!
Re: Surpassing 10Gb/S over Tailscale
#26Earlier quoted context omitted.
I've switched to tailscale because their nat busting is actually hard to do "by hand"
That’s sort of the problem, right. Joining two networks is pretty simple, once you do it a few times. I remember when it was mandatory to know how to set up an email server (for more than one user), configure a secure FTP (+ WebDAV for a little while), and probably other things I’ve totally forgetting about. These things were passed down from senior to junior like we pass down how to write Docker images, and set up o…
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#28Tailscale is awesome, so damn recommended. Taildrop (AirDrop for everything, included in Tailscale) is especially recommended, it makes it so damn easy to send files between all your devices.
https://tailscale.com/kb/1106/taildrop/ seems to be the docs. It's the first I hear of this. I wonder if there's any big advantage of this for someone who is already using syncthing for the same purpose? Biggest thing I could hope for is that it's faster. But I generally don't keep Tailscale running on mobile because I don't need it to and don't like the persistent notification.
Most backup/sync products are designed to work in the background and often require upload before download. I don’t know if syncthing does streaming syncs though.
Another difference is transfers can easily be untrusted, as in sender and receiver don’t need access to each others file systems. Take magic wormhole (or email attachments for that matter) as an example.
Taildrop is somewhere in between – I think you have to be on same tail net, but no need for awareness of the other device’s file system.
Re: Surpassing 10Gb/S over Tailscale
#29Do you have those numbers as well?
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#30Earlier quoted context omitted.
I mean, setting up a WireGuard vpn is pretty darn simple, even into a k8s cluster. It’s not rocket science or anything; which is kinda my point. They make it too easy, and that worries me.
Setting up a few p2p wg VPNs is manageable. However, when you have 10 nodes and need to add one more node, you now need to update all other nodes so they can speak p2p. Management with scale is the struggle.