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OpenVMS 9.2 for x86 is finally available for hobbyists

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Re: OpenVMS 9.2 for x86 is finally available for hobbyists

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i used VMS in the very early 80s, when i was working at a college which was part of the university of london. i never cottoned on to it - that versioning file system (obviously designed to sell hard disks) and all that SYS$SYSTEM stuff (i mean - why?). and then i changed jobs somewhere else, using a dec-10, and discovered what a really horrible OS was like.

I feel your pain. Used to run IT at Birkbeck College and they were huge on VMS. IIRC the University of London library system at the time, Libertas, depended on VAX. As a UNIX person it was wild. But credit where it is due: that thing was bulletproof.

> that thing was bulletproof.

I remember back when hurricane Katrina hit New Orleans, there was a shop running VMS for (I think) some financial institution that left a skeleton crew onsite to keep things running. They had 3 sites (if I recall) across the US, but for whatever reason they needed all 3 up as long as possible, so those guys manned the generator. They were doing live blog updates, which was pretty wild at the time.

Eventually the site went offline, but the other VMS sites picked up without losing any data.

Sadly, I can't find anything about this company in a few minutes of searching, so my vague memories are all I have. But I thought it was so cool that the other sites seamlessly picked up when the New Orleans site went down.

Re: OpenVMS 9.2 for x86 is finally available for hobbyists

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i used VMS in the very early 80s, when i was working at a college which was part of the university of london. i never cottoned on to it - that versioning file system (obviously designed to sell hard disks) and all that SYS$SYSTEM stuff (i mean - why?). and then i changed jobs somewhere else, using a dec-10, and discovered what a really horrible OS was like.

I had the exact opposite reaction. I grew up on UNIX. BSD, Solaris, HP-UX, then later Linux; though always as a user. The first time I ran into VMS, I fell in love. It was just such a different experience. Granted that OpenVMS has been trapped in a bubble, and that using even the latest versions, feels like you've been teleported back to 1990. I'll be really interested to see, now that the platform is much more acces…

I would be surprised if they do to be honest. What possible niche could it fill that a community ...a viable community... could be based on?

Re: OpenVMS 9.2 for x86 is finally available for hobbyists

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What's the license? Couldn't find this in the article.

This one: https://vmssoftware.com/community/community-license/agreemen...

"Subject to the terms and conditions of this Agreement and the payment of any applicable license fee, VSI grants You a non-exclusive, non-transferable revocable license to Use (as defined below) the Software in object code form as provided to you by VSI, solely for Non-commercial purposes."

"Non-commercial means not used for commercial advantage, direct monetary compensation, or indirect monetary compensation."

Re: OpenVMS 9.2 for x86 is finally available for hobbyists

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How does one ACTUALLY get this? There is talk of a download area, but how is it accessible?

You dont, yet I think. I registered for a hobbyist account and requested Alpha, hopefully that will lead to me getting access to the Portal to request AMD64

Re: OpenVMS 9.2 for x86 is finally available for hobbyists

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What's the license? Couldn't find this in the article.

This one: https://vmssoftware.com/community/community-license/agreemen... "Subject to the terms and conditions of this Agreement and the payment of any applicable license fee, VSI grants You a non-exclusive, non-transferable revocable license to Use (as defined below) the Software in object code form as provided to you by VSI, solely for Non-commercial purposes." "Non-commercial means not used for commercial advantag…

Not for "indirect monetary compensation" is vague, and worth looking at closely. Say you run curious-os.blog and take patreon or some other monetary payment, and you write a post based on your experience running this OS. Are the lawyers going to come after you?

Re: OpenVMS 9.2 for x86 is finally available for hobbyists

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The last three rows on the table at the end of this page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenVMS

imply V9.2 does not support AMD CPUs, and that support only comes with V9.2-1. That implies the version released here is Intel only - is that true? If so, why would that be?

Re: OpenVMS 9.2 for x86 is finally available for hobbyists

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This one: https://vmssoftware.com/community/community-license/agreemen... "Subject to the terms and conditions of this Agreement and the payment of any applicable license fee, VSI grants You a non-exclusive, non-transferable revocable license to Use (as defined below) the Software in object code form as provided to you by VSI, solely for Non-commercial purposes." "Non-commercial means not used for commercial advantag…

Not for "indirect monetary compensation" is vague, and worth looking at closely. Say you run curious-os.blog and take patreon or some other monetary payment, and you write a post based on your experience running this OS. Are the lawyers going to come after you?

I had the exact same questions running through my mind. The wording is so ambiguous that I am afraid to do anything with it.
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