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Re: Skeptical optimists are the key to an abundant AI future

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Post by lostmsu »

labrador wrote: post #20
lostmsu wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I haven't really seen anyone rebuke the Turing test, and in a Turing test GPT-4 against children seems like children would have no chances.

I don't get a sense that it's a person like some people do. Maybe because I've been writing software all my life. It's pretty clever, but it glitches like a machine and says things no person would ever say, but a text generator would. I'm afraid I've insulted people by saying if you tell me GPT-4 has a mind what you are really telling me is that you are not smarter than GPT-4 as in "tell me that you are not smarter t…

> I don't get a sense that it's a person like some people do.

Are you a child?

Re: Skeptical optimists are the key to an abundant AI future

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Post by shrimp_emoji »

labrador wrote: post #20
lostmsu wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I haven't really seen anyone rebuke the Turing test, and in a Turing test GPT-4 against children seems like children would have no chances.

I don't get a sense that it's a person like some people do. Maybe because I've been writing software all my life. It's pretty clever, but it glitches like a machine and says things no person would ever say, but a text generator would. I'm afraid I've insulted people by saying if you tell me GPT-4 has a mind what you are really telling me is that you are not smarter than GPT-4 as in "tell me that you are not smarter t…

In other words: it doesn't pass your Turing test. :p

I agree; talking to it for an hour or two, it becomes pretty obvious it's not a humanoid mind typing back at you.

What "a mind" means -- or what "consciousness" means or if it even exists -- is a separate can of undefined worms.

Re: Skeptical optimists are the key to an abundant AI future

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Post by labrador »

lostmsu wrote: post #21
labrador wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't get a sense that it's a person like some people do. Maybe because I've been writing software all my life. It's pretty clever, but it glitches like a machine and says things no person would ever say, but a text generator would. I'm afraid I've insulted people by saying if you tell me GPT-4 has a mind what you are really telling me is that you are not smarter than GPT-4 as in "tell me that you are not smarter t…

> I don't get a sense that it's a person like some people do. Are you a child?

I don't understand your question because obviously I am not. If you have a point why don't you make it. I am throttled on Hacker News so I won't be able to respond for awhile.

Re: Skeptical optimists are the key to an abundant AI future

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Post by labrador »

shrimp_emoji wrote: post #22
labrador wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't get a sense that it's a person like some people do. Maybe because I've been writing software all my life. It's pretty clever, but it glitches like a machine and says things no person would ever say, but a text generator would. I'm afraid I've insulted people by saying if you tell me GPT-4 has a mind what you are really telling me is that you are not smarter than GPT-4 as in "tell me that you are not smarter t…

In other words: it doesn't pass your Turing test. :p I agree; talking to it for an hour or two, it becomes pretty obvious it's not a humanoid mind typing back at you. What "a mind" means -- or what "consciousness" means or if it even exists -- is a separate can of undefined worms.

GPT-4 reminds of some smart mentally ill friends I've had, but even they are disordered in human ways while GPT-4 hallucinates in machine ways. I suspect people who think GPT-4 has a mind just don't have a lot of experience talking to a variety of people.

Re: Skeptical optimists are the key to an abundant AI future

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Post by lostmsu »

labrador wrote: post #23
lostmsu wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I don't get a sense that it's a person like some people do. Are you a child?

I don't understand your question because obviously I am not. If you have a point why don't you make it. I am throttled on Hacker News so I won't be able to respond for awhile.

The discussion was about comparing GPT to a child. Since you're not a child, the assumption that you can beat it in Turing test is irrelevant, regardless of it (the assumption) being right.

Re: Skeptical optimists are the key to an abundant AI future

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Post by labrador »

lostmsu wrote: post #25
labrador wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't understand your question because obviously I am not. If you have a point why don't you make it. I am throttled on Hacker News so I won't be able to respond for awhile.

The discussion was about comparing GPT to a child. Since you're not a child, the assumption that you can beat it in Turing test is irrelevant, regardless of it (the assumption) being right.

The discussion was not about comparing GPT to a child. I started it so I should know. The discussion is about "having the mind" of a child. Sentience. I don't care if it can mimic Albert Einstein, I'll be impressed when I'm convinced it is Alert Einstein.

Re: Skeptical optimists are the key to an abundant AI future

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Post by lostmsu »

labrador wrote: post #26
lostmsu wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The discussion was about comparing GPT to a child. Since you're not a child, the assumption that you can beat it in Turing test is irrelevant, regardless of it (the assumption) being right.

The discussion was not about comparing GPT to a child. I started it so I should know. The discussion is about "having the mind" of a child. Sentience. I don't care if it can mimic Albert Einstein, I'll be impressed when I'm convinced it is Alert Einstein.

You are referring to other people, but they mean "mind of a child" in the sense it is as smart as a child, not that it literally thinks the same way children do. That's quite obvious.

Re: Skeptical optimists are the key to an abundant AI future

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Post by chr1 »

mrob wrote: post #7
chr1 wrote: post #4

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> I'm not sure what nuclear deterrent looks like when you have AGI resources. Other people who have AGI resources. That's why it is very important to have multiple groups of people who will reach AGI at the same time. That way the same iterated prisoners dilemma thing will act on AGIs too.

The more groups have AGI, the higher the chance that one of them figures out recursive self-improvement, and if that happens it's game over for everybody. Iterated prisoner's dilemma only works when all the prisoners have roughly the same power.

Why is it game over though? AI is already used for self-improvement, and will be used more as it becomes more capable, but that won't magically solve all the problems in the world and create omnipotent AI. If there are many people and many AI's they collectively will be stronger than the one most advanced, and cooperation will remain advantageous.

Re: Skeptical optimists are the key to an abundant AI future

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Post by JohnFen »

mrob wrote: post #12
JohnFen wrote: post #11

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> With the advent of Al and super technology, we are on the brink of the next stage in human civilization This is just as hyperbolic and unrealistic as those who think that AI is going to kill all humans because it considers us an unacceptable risk.

What level of risk would a superintelligent AI consider "acceptable" when it comes to failure to accomplish its goal?

I don't know, as I've never experienced a superintelligent AI. The part I doubt is that we'll see AGI in our lifetime at all, let alone a superintelligent one.
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