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Is it my fault if you can't handle the truth? (2019)

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Re: Is it my fault if you can't handle the truth? (2019)

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Post by PicassoCTs »

I wield the truth proudly, because it cut my hands when i picked it up, it slices them when i wield it and it hurts even more when i knight you with it. I actively search out discomfort, i embrace knowledge about my retardation and i attempt to work out solutions for them. I detest the hive, the cuddling together in falsehood and illusions, the disasters it has spawned time and time again, the justifications for evil it was, over and over.

I rather suffer in misery alone for the rest of my life, then to be happy with you together in some delusion.

Those that shirked the burden, have mined the path to the future and parked there misery in addition to my own upon my shoulders. And of course, if we want to redistribute what you parked on the rational as your beast of burden to carry, that is an outrage. It makes sense in a insane way. But then why stay in our society. Why not walk, to those crashing, looping societies that embrace your madness full time. Why eat the fruit we grow, but condemn the gardener? Oh, now you will come with it all, with majority, loudness, the resilience of the true insane. And then you will walk of the cliff, once every generation. Go on then. I will still be here.

Re: Is it my fault if you can't handle the truth? (2019)

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Post by yarg »

geraneum wrote: post #4

This reminds me of: “People who are brutally honest get more satisfaction out of the brutality than out of the honesty.” Richard J. Needham

I think that there's the need to a counterpoint to the world that says "you're beautiful, you're smart, you're perfect just the way you are.".

A lot of the time the modern world tells us that feelings are more important than objective reality. It's bullshit.

Re: Is it my fault if you can't handle the truth? (2019)

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Post by PpEY4fu85hkQpn »

sublinear wrote: post #8

> It reminds me of the bumper stickers on trucks saying that vehicles must stay back at least 200 feet because the driver is not responsible for damage done to other vehicles by falling rocks. It's nonsense of course. No, it isn't nonsense . Neither are the signs at a mechanic's shop telling you they're not responsible for lost or damaged items. What all these signs have in common is that they signify dangerous work.…

Sure, trucks can be dangerous, but that's not at all what the stickers or the author is talking about.

Re: Is it my fault if you can't handle the truth? (2019)

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Post by __MatrixMan__ »

lifeisstillgood wrote: post #6

Two things - 1. science is the search for being right. It has brought us untold riches and wealth (and weapons). But getting humans to accept the provable facts is really really hard and usually progress is made a funeral at a time. 2. Most people who think they are right are not using scientific rigour but their own instincts and are usually full of hot air - see any middle manager for examples So yes, you are right…

Science is the search for consensus about predictions. It says nothing of truth.

Re: Is it my fault if you can't handle the truth? (2019)

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Post by waboremo »

yarg wrote: post #22
geraneum wrote: post #4

This reminds me of: “People who are brutally honest get more satisfaction out of the brutality than out of the honesty.” Richard J. Needham

I think that there's the need to a counterpoint to the world that says "you're beautiful, you're smart, you're perfect just the way you are.". A lot of the time the modern world tells us that feelings are more important than objective reality. It's bullshit.

It's not an either or, feelings are part of our reality. Ignoring them doesn't help you, neither does ignoring reality.

It seems people forget that it's not a binary scenario, you can absolutely respect someone else's time while also being honest with them.

Which is what the modern world is actually getting at, since historically we've ignored feelings far too much for the sake of submission to the status quo.

Re: Is it my fault if you can't handle the truth? (2019)

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Post by sublinear »

wewtyflakes wrote: post #18
sublinear wrote: post #8

> It reminds me of the bumper stickers on trucks saying that vehicles must stay back at least 200 feet because the driver is not responsible for damage done to other vehicles by falling rocks. It's nonsense of course. No, it isn't nonsense . Neither are the signs at a mechanic's shop telling you they're not responsible for lost or damaged items. What all these signs have in common is that they signify dangerous work.…

The nonsense was the lack of liability, not that rocks wont fall off a truck.

To focus only on the liability instead of the danger is missing the point. This article does a lot of that.

If the sign seems obtuse it's because it addresses the danger by pointing out the liability. Yes it can seem condescending, but wouldn't you rather everyone notice the sign? The problem still lies squarely with those who do not heed warnings, not the sign.

Re: Is it my fault if you can't handle the truth? (2019)

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Post by advael »

I sometimes participate intentionally in social contexts where truthseeking is a top priority. I've noticed that while you occasionally get some overlap with the kind of people who like trying to win arguments in normal contexts by insisting that they are "objective", for the most part these people tend to be pretty bad at actual truthseeking too. Most of the time, they've simply arrived at a different dance to do to try to give themselves authority and status, a dance which works on a different subset of other humans who, like them, have leeway to decide what matters in context, and don't have enough information to arrive at a definitive "objective truth" regardless.

tl;dr The behavior described is more often just another form of puerile bullying than an honest and effective dedication to truthseeking

Re: Is it my fault if you can't handle the truth? (2019)

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Post by macrolocal »

__MatrixMan__ wrote: post #24
lifeisstillgood wrote: post #6

Two things - 1. science is the search for being right. It has brought us untold riches and wealth (and weapons). But getting humans to accept the provable facts is really really hard and usually progress is made a funeral at a time. 2. Most people who think they are right are not using scientific rigour but their own instincts and are usually full of hot air - see any middle manager for examples So yes, you are right…

Science is the search for consensus about predictions. It says nothing of truth.

Science is more like a willingness to admit you're wrong when some agreed upon standard is met.

Re: Is it my fault if you can't handle the truth? (2019)

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Post by tunesmith »

yarg wrote: post #22
geraneum wrote: post #4

This reminds me of: “People who are brutally honest get more satisfaction out of the brutality than out of the honesty.” Richard J. Needham

I think that there's the need to a counterpoint to the world that says "you're beautiful, you're smart, you're perfect just the way you are.". A lot of the time the modern world tells us that feelings are more important than objective reality. It's bullshit.

brutal honesty is not the opposite of "you're beautiful, you're smart, you're perfect just the way you are."

And feelings are not opposed to objective reality, for that matter.

It's entirely possible to be clear, explicit, truthful, and kind.

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