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The Contradictions of Sam Altman

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Re: The Contradictions of Sam Altman

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Listening to Sam talking with Lex Fridman about the dangers and ethics of AI while his company destroys entire industries as a consequence of their decision to keep GPT4 closed source and spitting out an apex api aggregator is one for the history books.

Well played :)

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https://archive.ph/YTOeD

None of archive.* are working for me - cloudflare dns issues. Anyone else has access issues?

[thanks to those who replied. strangely stopped working for me since yesterday [US]. can you post the ip you see?

Cloudflare returns a 1001 error: "Ray ID: 7b128f151e4b0c90 • 2023-04-01 17:30:15 UTC" ]

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Looks like the media has chosen Sam Altman as the next Elon Musk. This makes sense. He perfectly fits their cliche of a socially-awkward technologist, and he's trusting (foolish?) enough to make complex nuanced statements in public, which they can easily mine for out-of-context clickbait and vilification fodder.

What specifically in that article was vilification of Sam or clickbait, or statements taken out of context?

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I believe you can't, at the same time, accuse OpenAI of benefitting of ideas mostly invented elsewhere, and also claim that they are in a predominant position. It does not make any sense, and they are not naturally positioned for a monopoly. Just other companies have to move their asses.

I'm a fan of OpenAI, but this is nonsense. All of human existence is mostly other people's ideas. Among a ridiculously huge list of other things, OpenAI benefits from the mountains of labor that made scalable neural networks possible. Have they had their own good ideas? Definitely. Are they benefitting of ideas mostly invented elsewhere? Also Definitely, just like everybody else.

I don't think you understood me. I'm with you, but given that often OpenAI is accused of using public ideas for profit, this, in turn, means they are obviously not in a dominant position. So far they are just better than the others.

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I believe you can't, at the same time, accuse OpenAI of benefitting of ideas mostly invented elsewhere, and also claim that they are in a predominant position. It does not make any sense, and they are not naturally positioned for a monopoly. Just other companies have to move their asses.

> I believe you can't, at the same time, accuse OpenAI of benefitting of ideas mostly invented elsewhere, and also claim that they are in a predominant position.

There used to be a team at Google called Google Brain and they all left to go to OpenAI after the employee protests against taking military AI contracts in 2018. Now Microsoft has those contracts and funneled $10B to OpenAI from the CIA. OK that's a little bit of exaggeration but not so much; I guess not all employees left, and Google Brain still technically exists. Also some of the brain employees went to other startups not only OpenAI.

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> The goal, the company said, was to avoid a race toward building dangerous AI systems fueled by competition and instead prioritize the safety of humanity.

> “You want to be there first and you want to be setting the norms,” he said. “That’s part of the reason why speed is a moral and ethical thing here.”

Clearly having either not learned or ignored the lessons from Black Mirror and 1984, which is that others will copy and emulate the progress.

The fact is that capitalism is no safe place to develop advanced capabilities. We have the capability for advanced socialism, just not the wisdom or political will.

(I’ll answer the anonymous downvote: Altman has advocated giving equity as UBI solution. It’s a well-meaning technocratic idea to distribute ownership, but it ignores human psychology and that this idea has already been attempted in practice in 1990s Russia, with unfavourable, obvious outcomes).

Re: The Contradictions of Sam Altman

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post #14
post #7

I believe you can't, at the same time, accuse OpenAI of benefitting of ideas mostly invented elsewhere, and also claim that they are in a predominant position. It does not make any sense, and they are not naturally positioned for a monopoly. Just other companies have to move their asses.

I'm a fan of OpenAI, but this is nonsense. All of human existence is mostly other people's ideas. Among a ridiculously huge list of other things, OpenAI benefits from the mountains of labor that made scalable neural networks possible. Have they had their own good ideas? Definitely. Are they benefitting of ideas mostly invented elsewhere? Also Definitely, just like everybody else.

I'm not really a fan of openAI, but I think we're seeing the classic mistake of confusing product with technology. Steve Jobs / Apple didn't anything you'd call new ideas either (obvious cliche but so is the criticism). It's execution and design once the tech reaches a certain level

Re: The Contradictions of Sam Altman

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https://archive.ph/YTOeD

None of archive.* are working for me - cloudflare dns issues. Anyone else has access issues? [thanks to those who replied. strangely stopped working for me since yesterday [US]. can you post the ip you see? Cloudflare returns a 1001 error: "Ray ID: 7b128f151e4b0c90 • 2023-04-01 17:30:15 UTC" ]

No issue here (Buenos Aires).
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