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Re: Britain's economic trajectory will soon see it overtaken by Poland

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Post by bennysonething » Sat, Apr 01, 2023, 6:53 AM UTC

realjhol wrote: post #17

bennysonething wrote: post #14

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What have we traded away?

Well take a look: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NA4u17XAF_A Look at the way these people lived. The way the dressed. The way the carried themselves. The culture. The customs. The traditions. It was a thriving high-trust society. The line has gone up orders of magnitude in the past 100 years, but are the people thriving? Is their nation something to be proud of? Do they have any herritage left to pass on to their ch…

The video is mostly of the upper classes and military. Looks nice but I'm pretty certain I'd prefer to live now. I'm actually from n Ireland but live in the Scotland. The class system is definitely a lot more noticeable here than home. I suspect it was way worse back then.

I have some sympathy for your point of view. I'm very much pro union but when I go to England I think I'm glad I don't live there. So crowded. Most of the countryside fenced off. Unlike Scotland were it's possible to escape to the wilderness. Compared to Ireland I think people in England seem depressed.

On the high trust thing, I think part of it may be partly the mass immigration of the 1950s. As an outside observer I think that may have divided the country a bit. To me there doesn't seem to be much integration.

All I'm hoping is that the UK gets over brexit and doesn't stay in terminal decline. The current Tory leadership only seem interested in managing that decline. At least Boris was optimistic and believed Britain was a great place to be.

Re: Britain's economic trajectory will soon see it overtaken by Poland

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Post by realjhol » Sat, Apr 01, 2023, 7:47 AM UTC

bennysonething wrote: post #21

realjhol wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well take a look: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NA4u17XAF_A Look at the way these people lived. The way the dressed. The way the carried themselves. The culture. The customs. The traditions. It was a thriving high-trust society. The line has gone up orders of magnitude in the past 100 years, but are the people thriving? Is their nation something to be proud of? Do they have any herritage left to pass on to their ch…

The video is mostly of the upper classes and military. Looks nice but I'm pretty certain I'd prefer to live now. I'm actually from n Ireland but live in the Scotland. The class system is definitely a lot more noticeable here than home. I suspect it was way worse back then. I have some sympathy for your point of view. I'm very much pro union but when I go to England I think I'm glad I don't live there. So crowded. Mos…

> The video is mostly of the upper classes and military. Looks nice but I'm pretty certain I'd prefer to live now.

There are plenty of other videos from the 1900s era.

And sure, we are more comfortable now, and it would be hard to go back to those times, but I'm not really focused on their material comforts.

My point is that the English - as a people - were thriving in those days, and most of their thriving has since been destroyed by modernity.

I want to attack the Whig Historiography concept that a bright future will just spontaneously emerge, when all the indicators are that England is in a state of steep decline in comparison to where it was 100 years ago - even though the GDP has never been higher!

Re: Britain's economic trajectory will soon see it overtaken by Poland

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Post by pfannkuchen » Sat, Apr 01, 2023, 3:04 PM UTC

realjhol wrote: post #22

bennysonething wrote: post #21

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The video is mostly of the upper classes and military. Looks nice but I'm pretty certain I'd prefer to live now. I'm actually from n Ireland but live in the Scotland. The class system is definitely a lot more noticeable here than home. I suspect it was way worse back then. I have some sympathy for your point of view. I'm very much pro union but when I go to England I think I'm glad I don't live there. So crowded. Mos…

> The video is mostly of the upper classes and military. Looks nice but I'm pretty certain I'd prefer to live now. There are plenty of other videos from the 1900s era. And sure, we are more comfortable now, and it would be hard to go back to those times, but I'm not really focused on their material comforts. My point is that the English - as a people - were thriving in those days, and most of their thriving has since…

It’s kind of funny, we today regard the world wars as being in our somewhat distant past, but if this same trajectory continues I think that in 1000 years we may simply say that the war permanently destroyed Europe. The effects just took several generations to play out. And would it be surprising for such an unprecedentedly massive war to permanently destroy a place?

Re: Britain's economic trajectory will soon see it overtaken by Poland

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Post by ambyra » Sat, Apr 01, 2023, 9:13 PM UTC

pfannkuchen wrote: post #18

tryptophan wrote: post #10

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No that is not where the word comes from. Slav is an English-ization of “slowanie” (what slavs call their group) which means “people of the word “ or people who can talk or something along those lines.

I believe the claim is that the word “slave” is derived from the word “slav”, not the other way around.

Yeah. In Polish Slav means a speaker, or person of our word. In Latin, it meant person who we can take to do work for free, but the Polish came up with the term first.

Our old word for foreigner is the same as non speaker or mute, Niemcy, which now specifically refers to the Germans. I guess they were our first foreigners.

Re: Britain's economic trajectory will soon see it overtaken by Poland

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Post by punkbit » Sun, Apr 02, 2023, 10:51 AM UTC

Stevvo wrote: post #8

Labour campaigned and voted against Brexit shouting this would happen. "Project Fear" as it was called. But now they pretend like Brexit has nothing to do with it... it's just the torries fault apparently.

Actually, Jeremy Corbyn was pro Brexit as far as I can remember. Theresa May was a pro remain for example.

Gina Miller was the only one fighting against Brexit she even decided to vote in favour of libdem for the first time instead of labour…

So yeah… sorry but labour position was pro Brexit

Re: Britain's economic trajectory will soon see it overtaken by Poland

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Post by Stevvo » Mon, Apr 03, 2023, 3:54 AM UTC

punkbit wrote: post #25

Stevvo wrote: post #8

Labour campaigned and voted against Brexit shouting this would happen. "Project Fear" as it was called. But now they pretend like Brexit has nothing to do with it... it's just the torries fault apparently.

Actually, Jeremy Corbyn was pro Brexit as far as I can remember. Theresa May was a pro remain for example. Gina Miller was the only one fighting against Brexit she even decided to vote in favour of libdem for the first time instead of labour… So yeah… sorry but labour position was pro Brexit

The stated position of the labour party, and what they campaigned for, was Remain. At the time, there were many people like you saying one thing about Corbyn while he said another. Nobody liked Corbyn, so he surely must have been a Brexiteer! Despite him not having made Eurosceptic comments for many years.