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The teen mental illness epidemic is international – Part 1: The Anglosphere

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Saw a post on Paul Graham's twitter about this, turns out white, liberal female teens were the most depressed, for whatever reason, that's a strange specific group to be extremely depressed imho.

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It's funny. Somehow I don't think the standard of evidence[RCTs] we get calls for in nutrition studies(for example), will be applied equally here. It's an epistemological double-standard that's rarely given serious consideration. I wouldn't give correlative studies much thought. It could be just as likely that people who were more anxious or depressed were found to be mobile phone users or any number of other things…

How do you propose to use RCTs to test the claim?

As an aside, do you think that the data, not the hypothesis, is accurate (i.e., that mental health has declined in teens)?

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Saw a post on Paul Graham's twitter about this, turns out white, liberal female teens were the most depressed, for whatever reason, that's a strange specific group to be extremely depressed imho.

These statistics are almost useless for determining rates of mental health issues. They measure mental health as reported by mental health professionals. Of course groups which are antagonistic or dismissive of mental health will be underrepresented. Folks who receive counseling for mental health issues at their Church will also not be represented in these numbers. That doesn't mean these other groups don't have ment…

The subpopulation that uses alcohol to deal with life stress likely skews male and more conservative.

I recently had a conversation with late '20s guy from a small town in Illinois who said guys in his town at any point in time were either working, hunting or drunk. He felt the need to get out of there.

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post #17

Saw a post on Paul Graham's twitter about this, turns out white, liberal female teens were the most depressed, for whatever reason, that's a strange specific group to be extremely depressed imho.

Gotta look at which way the cookie crumbles or the beam shears - how stress is distributed in a system. If you take for granted that there is a large amount of emotional strain floating around, where are the outlets? Men bottle it up and retake control (school shootings, as an extreme). People with precarious lives can express the stress as worry and fear (mostly women). Depression is a luxury version of stress - not…

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My bet is that there is a bidirectional relationship between medication and mental health. Meaning, teenagers are over medicated which is messing with their heads. Some of them need the medicine, others are unknowingly suffering under some amphetamine, antidepressant, anti-anxiety etc.

Would love to see mental health numbers of teenagers that:

1. Havent been medicated

    - I understand this biases the sample
2. Exercise

Re: The teen mental illness epidemic is international – Part 1: The Anglosphere

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post #17

Saw a post on Paul Graham's twitter about this, turns out white, liberal female teens were the most depressed, for whatever reason, that's a strange specific group to be extremely depressed imho.

Gotta look at which way the cookie crumbles or the beam shears - how stress is distributed in a system. If you take for granted that there is a large amount of emotional strain floating around, where are the outlets? Men bottle it up and retake control (school shootings, as an extreme). People with precarious lives can express the stress as worry and fear (mostly women). Depression is a luxury version of stress - not…

Depression is a spectrum of presentations, and severe cases render you entirely unable to work. In turn that means your physical well being is at risk if you depend on salary to keep yourself housed and fed.

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post #16

Saw a post on Paul Graham's twitter about this, turns out white, liberal female teens were the most depressed, for whatever reason, that's a strange specific group to be extremely depressed imho.

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One of the odder changes in the behavior of people on the left in recent times is going from "I'm a person, not a label" to "Look at all the labels I have!"

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post #17

Saw a post on Paul Graham's twitter about this, turns out white, liberal female teens were the most depressed, for whatever reason, that's a strange specific group to be extremely depressed imho.

Gotta look at which way the cookie crumbles or the beam shears - how stress is distributed in a system. If you take for granted that there is a large amount of emotional strain floating around, where are the outlets? Men bottle it up and retake control (school shootings, as an extreme). People with precarious lives can express the stress as worry and fear (mostly women). Depression is a luxury version of stress - not…

> Depression is a luxury version of stress - not happy, but also physically safe and not worried for your well-being.

That certainly is A Take on Depression.

Re: The teen mental illness epidemic is international – Part 1: The Anglosphere

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Saw a post on Paul Graham's twitter about this, turns out white, liberal female teens were the most depressed, for whatever reason, that's a strange specific group to be extremely depressed imho.

> Saw a post on Paul Graham’s twitter about this, turns out white, liberal female teens were the most depressed, for whatever reason, that’s a strange specific group to be extremely depressed imho.

That’s…honestly, exactly the combination of race and gender I would expect to be most depressed right now, even thinking only about expectations people have been raised with about the direction of progress for their own conditions and how the reality currently manifesting clashes with it, and that’s without considering how concerns for conditions other than their own might play into it.

Re: The teen mental illness epidemic is international – Part 1: The Anglosphere

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Saw a post on Paul Graham's twitter about this, turns out white, liberal female teens were the most depressed, for whatever reason, that's a strange specific group to be extremely depressed imho.

I would love to explore Reddit's influence on this phenomenon. The timelines seem to sync somewhat and it seems like a perfect vehicle for adversarial nation states to use to influence public opinion.
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