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Missouri lawmakers move to strip library funding, retaliate for book ban lawsuit

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Re: Missouri lawmakers move to strip library funding, retaliate for book ban lawsuit

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Does this law apply for students of all ages? Surely "sexually explicit" materials are a requirement for sexual education right? What am I missing?

You're missing that most of these people want to kill sexual education too. They are openly against modern education, and think the father of the household should have final say on anything and everything.

Re: Missouri lawmakers move to strip library funding, retaliate for book ban lawsuit

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If they are willing to go to such extremes to censor books how do they feel about the internet? The internet has a reach that is orders of magnitude greater than books, but I never hear about lawmakers attempting to shut down the internet or part of the internet. Is it just too decentralized to even attempt or is their pursuit of book censorship just for show to impress their followers?

Well recently they went after a journalist for "hacking the government website" after he ran an article about how they had a bunch of people's SS#s in the source code of one of their webpages so I'm not sure Missouri is too keen on it either.

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If they are willing to go to such extremes to censor books how do they feel about the internet? The internet has a reach that is orders of magnitude greater than books, but I never hear about lawmakers attempting to shut down the internet or part of the internet. Is it just too decentralized to even attempt or is their pursuit of book censorship just for show to impress their followers?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/07/22/south-c...

https://mashable.com/article/texas-abortion-website-bill

Re: Missouri lawmakers move to strip library funding, retaliate for book ban lawsuit

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$4 million is a lot of money for a library and completely unnecessary in current economic conditions

It's comically evil to cut such a small amount of money for the state's public libraries under pretty much any circumstance (The total budget is ~50 billion dollars). Libraries should be considered some of our crowning achievements: (nearly) free and unprivileged access to as much knowledge as we can cram into a single building.

Unfortunately, one of the primary political parties is actively waging war on education and information.

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> The proposal, approved close to midnight by the House Budget Committee, would cut the entire $4.5 million in state aid that libraries were slated to get next year. The proposed library cut, along with other changes to the state’s roughly $50 billion budget, will now head to the full Missouri House. What does this mean for libraries? $4.5 million can't have been enough to fund a statewide library network so presumab…

It's Missouri, so I highly doubt the money is equally distributed among libraries. You can see where aid goes here: https://www.sos.mo.gov/library/development/stateaid/default And then you can look up or estimate the total spend for each of those community's libraries. Likely this means approximately nothing for most suburban, urban, and exurban/college town/resort town/etc. library systems. Those communities can eas…

You are probably right that it is not evenly distributed. But this seems entirely on-brand for a state like Missouri. How many libraries have been ruined by these antics already?

According to some cursory searches, Washington State (where I live) has 2,500 libraries for 7.7 million people and Missouri has somewhere between 171 and 400 libraries for 6.1 million people.

At some point the horse dies and the stick is no longer motivational.

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As a european that frequently discusses political topics with people from the US, I recall times when conservatives over there were all about "small government" and "freedom of speech" and how they would literally fight for those rights (that's what the second amendment was written for in their eyes). Where are those people today? Why are they not more vocal? Or were these values always just a veneer for something el…

> Where are those people today? Why are they not more vocal?

When you hear talk about the establishment versus populist wings of the GOP, this is what's being referred to.

Re: Missouri lawmakers move to strip library funding, retaliate for book ban lawsuit

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Where should the line be drawn? As a parent of kids in elementary and middle school, I don't want them reading about anything sexually explicit. Maybe in high school but I feel something should be done to evaluate what reading materials are seen by children. We didn't do it with social media, we didn't do it with pornography, and we bear the results of that nonintervention.

What is the best argument for allowing elementary school children to read about sexaul intercourse?

Re: Missouri lawmakers move to strip library funding, retaliate for book ban lawsuit

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you hold that book up to the same standards it probably has be banned too right? Lots of sexually explicit content in that one. Edit: Instead of downvoting maybe do a little research first? Here's a story about a lawsuit in Utah aiming to remove the bible from schools based on the same silly grounds they are banning other books: https://www.sltrib.com/news/education/2023/03/22/utah-parent...

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Re: Missouri lawmakers move to strip library funding, retaliate for book ban lawsuit

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's Missouri, so I highly doubt the money is equally distributed among libraries. You can see where aid goes here: https://www.sos.mo.gov/library/development/stateaid/default And then you can look up or estimate the total spend for each of those community's libraries. Likely this means approximately nothing for most suburban, urban, and exurban/college town/resort town/etc. library systems. Those communities can eas…

You are probably right that it is not evenly distributed. But this seems entirely on-brand for a state like Missouri. How many libraries have been ruined by these antics already? According to some cursory searches, Washington State (where I live) has 2,500 libraries for 7.7 million people and Missouri has somewhere between 171 and 400 libraries for 6.1 million people. At some point the horse dies and the stick is no…

The flip-side of urban areas subsidizing rural areas: rural lawmakers threatening to cut funding is something of a nothing burger.
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