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Nintendo's Wii U and 3DS stores closing means game over for digital archives

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Re: Nintendo's Wii U and 3DS stores closing means game over for digital archives

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exactly - it's nothing to me! I have every N64 game ever made on an SD card in my Everdrive. Same for GB/GBC.

Likewise, every GBA game totals around 6GB on my backup drive. Every SNES game is ~1.1GB

A GBA Everdrive is next up for me. I've been a little less motivated for that since I have so many original carts + they don't have the same battery issues old GB games do.

Re: Nintendo's Wii U and 3DS stores closing means game over for digital archives

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What a shame the article spreads some fud about roms and diminishes the community, making it seem like a futile individual effort: "In order to play a game on an emulator, you need a copy of the original title, commonly saved as a ROM (or read-only memory) file. Depending on how the title is copied, what the condition of the cartridge or game disc is in, or the geographic region the game is locked to, you can find yo…

>Meanwhile, people have been distributing roms for 25 years Almost exclusively illegally, hence the "fraught with legal issues." Downloading a ROM for a game you own on a cartridge violates US law. You need to create your own copy, where you very likely will face the issues they raise. Or you technically violate the law, which NPR likely doesn't want to condone for a puff piece.

We live in a world where the common notion of buying something and owning it has been completely violated.

I don't "own" the movie, music, or digital media I buy, I am merely "temporarily renting it" through "licensing agreements". Yet every other physical good that I own, I perform a cash transaction of it and it is understood that it is mine. I can do with it what I want. I buy eggs at the store. I can cook and eat them or throw them out the window. Nobody cares. I own them. I bought them.

Only when my purchase is digital am I suddenly combated with "distribution rights", "reproduction rights", "rights to modify", etc.

The laws need to be changed, I tell ya!

Re: Nintendo's Wii U and 3DS stores closing means game over for digital archives

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post #5

What a shame the article spreads some fud about roms and diminishes the community, making it seem like a futile individual effort: "In order to play a game on an emulator, you need a copy of the original title, commonly saved as a ROM (or read-only memory) file. Depending on how the title is copied, what the condition of the cartridge or game disc is in, or the geographic region the game is locked to, you can find yo…

For organizations like the Video Game History Foundation (https://gamehistory.org/) that are trying to preserve video games in an above board way, things really are as dire as this article describes.

For VGHF to fulfill its mission, it's just not enough that this work is done. "Nobody is prosecuting us" isn't a firm enough foundation for an above board, charity funded organization that makes this work legal and accessible.

Re: Nintendo's Wii U and 3DS stores closing means game over for digital archives

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It doesn’t have to be this way.

I’ve been buying games on Steam for 15 years. Even my earliest purchases are still downloadable and playable, and have been on every PC I’ve owned, including most recently the Steam Deck.

The same is true for my GOG library. Even more so, since I can (and do) save the DRM‐free installers of the games I buy.

Don’t reward hostile media platforms with your money or your attention!

Re: Nintendo's Wii U and 3DS stores closing means game over for digital archives

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post #5

What a shame the article spreads some fud about roms and diminishes the community, making it seem like a futile individual effort: "In order to play a game on an emulator, you need a copy of the original title, commonly saved as a ROM (or read-only memory) file. Depending on how the title is copied, what the condition of the cartridge or game disc is in, or the geographic region the game is locked to, you can find yo…

For organizations like the Video Game History Foundation ( https://gamehistory.org/ ) that are trying to preserve video games in an above board way, things really are as dire as this article describes. For VGHF to fulfill its mission, it's just not enough that this work is done. "Nobody is prosecuting us" isn't a firm enough foundation for an above board, charity funded organization that makes this work legal and acc…

Are the statements about the quality of the copy true as well? I had always assumed, it's digital, so it either works or it doesn't. I know there are problems emulating some games well, but I always thought that was because of shortcomings in the emulator or things like chips on the game cartridge that also need to be emulated.

Re: Nintendo's Wii U and 3DS stores closing means game over for digital archives

#26
Ars has a good article on this too with focus on preservation and the Video Game History Foundation [1].

A youtuber also went through and purchased every game on the Wii U and 3DS eShops and donated them [2].

1. https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2023/03/why-game-archivists-a...

2. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ujHUMG0Uovs

Re: Nintendo's Wii U and 3DS stores closing means game over for digital archives

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post #24

It doesn’t have to be this way. I’ve been buying games on Steam for 15 years. Even my earliest purchases are still downloadable and playable, and have been on every PC I’ve owned, including most recently the Steam Deck. The same is true for my GOG library. Even more so, since I can (and do) save the DRM‐free installers of the games I buy. Don’t reward hostile media platforms with your money or your attention!

The whole idea of an archive is to archive stuff. "Just memory-hole the stuff that's hostile to archival" is not a solution.

Re: Nintendo's Wii U and 3DS stores closing means game over for digital archives

#28
post #7

And this is why hardware/software hackers breaking these devices are a very good thing.

Exactly this. Nintento et al. are unwaveringly adversarial in their insistence around locking down games and aggressively pursuing archivists (who they claim are pirates), even after said games are no longer available for sale.

It is our moral imperative to preserve this software despite the interests of these companies, lest it be lost forever.

Due to the unique form factors of the DS, 3DS and Wii U, it is very unlikely that the majority of these games will be ported to newer, single-display systems like the Switch, so the argument for them selling them again on a newer system is largely moot at best and disingenuous at worst.

Re: Nintendo's Wii U and 3DS stores closing means game over for digital archives

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post #24

It doesn’t have to be this way. I’ve been buying games on Steam for 15 years. Even my earliest purchases are still downloadable and playable, and have been on every PC I’ve owned, including most recently the Steam Deck. The same is true for my GOG library. Even more so, since I can (and do) save the DRM‐free installers of the games I buy. Don’t reward hostile media platforms with your money or your attention!

Steam has benefited from a long period of good quality stable leadership, but as Gabe gets older I get more and more concerned for Steam.

I love the service, I've used it since launch alongside Half-Life 2 etc on PC, but I am extremely worried how it looks 15 years after Gabe Newell dies or sells. I would not be shocked to see Microsoft buy them in the end.

There's no public plans for what Valve looks like in the post Gabe-era, and as a privately held company there's not much need to explain/disclose either. I agree its been run great until now, but the future is unclear.

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