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Re: Framework Laptop 16

#21

If only they would make a laptop with an AMD processor, no discrete graphics + someone makes a decent keyboard with a trackpoint for it, I'd immediately buy 2, I don't care about the price. It's also likely that I'd be able to convince my employer to switch from thinkpads to this. Btw, it's ironic that the much cheaper T series Thinkpads work much better with Linux and are much more reliable than the X1 series. Intel…

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Re: Framework Laptop 16

#22

Alas, it's got a 16:9 screen with its infamous ugly chin :-( I'd like a chinless 16:10 or 3:2 goodness (or 4:3), even if it was at a hefty markup. UPD: it's a 16:10 display, but the chin is still ugly.

You're wrong. It's a 16:10 screen.

CEO: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35280523

Re: Framework Laptop 16

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post #3

Playing with configurator what surprise me is that a Windows 11 Pro licence cost 259 Euro. Micro$oft still make a lot of money with windonws =)

So if I buy a computer with Win 11 then I can claim €259 back as long as I wrote it and install Linux? Isn't that how things worked before with Windows-tax automatically applied to all retail computers in major chain stores? That clearly won't work, as one could get free computers ... but what is the situation in getting reimbursements of Windows-tax?

So if I buy a computer with Win 11 then I can claim €259 back

Anybody else remember Windows Refund Day? Some OEMs actually did offer a refund of around $30-50, which was the cost of an OEM license at the time. Although many court cases around the world have since then ruled that you don't have a right to claim a refund for unused OEM licenses.

Re: Framework Laptop 16

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post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> for personal use you can buy OEM keys off eBay or AliExpress for a few bucks. Is it legal? If it's not, isn't it easier to just use crack? E.g. pirate KMS server.

It is not legal, but the advantage is that you don't have to deal with shady software like that pirate KMS server. Even though it is a breach of contract because it is not how these licences are supposed to be used, it is still recognized as genuine by Microsoft, so you get all the updates, etc... You may get your license revoked it the seller get caught and as a result, you may need to get a new one. As an individua…

I was under the impression that reselling keys can be legal in the EU (at least in some circumstances)?

Re: Framework Laptop 16

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post #19

This is starting to be a really interesting choice compared to sticking to thinkpads. The dream would be to have 6 expansion cards in the laptop 13. 4 really is a bummer for a work laptop, it's definitely not enough for me… And while you can easily carry other expansion cards and switch at will, it's kinda like carrying adapters, you easily forget them.

I wish there was a single module with two USB-A ports, but I don't think they're wide enough.

Re: Framework Laptop 16

#26

Alas, it's got a 16:9 screen with its infamous ugly chin :-( I'd like a chinless 16:10 or 3:2 goodness (or 4:3), even if it was at a hefty markup. UPD: it's a 16:10 display, but the chin is still ugly.

The chin lefts the screen a bit for better ergonomics.

Re: Framework Laptop 16

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post #19

This is starting to be a really interesting choice compared to sticking to thinkpads. The dream would be to have 6 expansion cards in the laptop 13. 4 really is a bummer for a work laptop, it's definitely not enough for me… And while you can easily carry other expansion cards and switch at will, it's kinda like carrying adapters, you easily forget them.

I want framework to succeed and they are targeting folks who want sleek and customizable computers (which they’ve nailed) but compared to a thinkpad the build quality isn’t great.

Re: Framework Laptop 16

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post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> for personal use you can buy OEM keys off eBay or AliExpress for a few bucks. Is it legal? If it's not, isn't it easier to just use crack? E.g. pirate KMS server.

It is not legal, but the advantage is that you don't have to deal with shady software like that pirate KMS server. Even though it is a breach of contract because it is not how these licences are supposed to be used, it is still recognized as genuine by Microsoft, so you get all the updates, etc... You may get your license revoked it the seller get caught and as a result, you may need to get a new one. As an individua…

If the breach of contract is by the seller, then how does that result in illegality on the part of the buyer?

Re: Framework Laptop 16

#29
post #8

I hope it's possible to fit a pointing stick (TrackPoint) keyboard within that 3.7mm, and that someone first- or third-party makes one. I'm keen to try replacing my ThinkPad with a Framework as soon as that's available, but not before.

Sadly I feel like trackpoints are really end of life and I wouldn't be surprised if Lenovo ditched them entirely soon. It seems they keep it only to please the tiny but vocal minority of tinkerers that we are. But we mostly buy old, second hand thinkpads.

And as keyboards get thinner, trackpoints lose in quality. On linux it seems the software side is also not as good as before with libinput.

So I'd be really surprised if any one new on the market would go about making keyboards with trackpoints now.

Re: Framework Laptop 16

#30

If only they would make a laptop with an AMD processor, no discrete graphics + someone makes a decent keyboard with a trackpoint for it, I'd immediately buy 2, I don't care about the price. It's also likely that I'd be able to convince my employer to switch from thinkpads to this. Btw, it's ironic that the much cheaper T series Thinkpads work much better with Linux and are much more reliable than the X1 series. Intel…

https://frame.work/ > now available with AMD Ryzen 7040 Still only preorder, but you can buy it with AMD now.

WOW! I think I'm going to pre-order one, trackpoint be damned! My wife is a bit suspicious of these laptops, let's see how this one fares.

I just need to check if it'll work with my Thinkpad Thunderbolt 3 dock (or something similar, I can buy another dock) to output to 2x 4K (actually 3840x2560, so bigger than 4K) monitors. I can currently both power my Thinkpad, and connect all the peripherals, with 1 USB-C cable. It's not something I'm willing to forgo.

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