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“Healthy obesity” doesn’t exist. It is unequivocally bad for you

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Post by widjit »

Denial/wishful thinking are extremely powerful.

That said, body positivity shouldn't be thought of as having anything to say about objective physical health: there is zero reason a person who is obese should necessarily feel bad about themselves. Shame is a useless or detrimental approach to changing behavior; shame is oftentimes the reason people engage in unhealthy behaviors like overeating in the first place. Being overweight is an obvious health danger, but it does not make you a bad person.

Somewhere in the idiot echo chamber of social media the idea of a healthy sense of self worth got conflated with a healthy body.

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Post by whiddershins »

muldvarp wrote: post #14
DiscourseFan wrote: post #4

I think the article is arguing that there is such a thing as being healthy with a high BMI? It's just that those people generally don't have an excessively high body fat %. But if we are going by BMI, there are plenty of people who have "healthy obesity", on account of muscle mass. I've been working out for many years and I think I have a healthy body fat percentage but since I'm not very thin its hard to tell withou…

> there are plenty of people who have "healthy obesity", on account of muscle mass. There are _very few_ people who have a BMI over 30 purely by having an extreme amount of muscle mass and most of them are on steroids. Also, there are weight related issues for which it is irrelevant whether the extra weight is fat or muscle mass.

BMI has a problem with tall people.

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Post by _23sd »

The article tries to frame it as if the U-shaped mortality curve and “healthy obesity” hypothesizing have been debunked, but there’s no suggestion that the U-shaped curve was not real. What appears to actually be debunked is BMI>30 as a definition of obesity. As far as I can tell, epidemiologists operating within the framework of “obesity is BMI>30”, still the one most commonly used at the individual and epidemiological levels worldwide, were right to question whether obesity was universally unhealthy. They only become “wrong” when you redefine obesity, so this controversy seems to have been constructive in exposing methodological problems.

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Post by Xylakant »

throwawaysleep wrote: post #11
lockhouse wrote: post #3

There’s really no getting around the fact that you need to live an active life of consuming things in moderation to be healthy.

The challenge is what is the closest hack to get around it, as most people, admittedly myself included, are not willing to exercise? Semaglutide seems to be the best bet right now.

My hack is to not own a car and commute by bike. It is exercise, but camouflages as required activity. I also try to deliberately walk instead of taking the subway regularly, even if it takes an hour or so.

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Post by mc32 »

I don’t know if we’re capable of pushing against the tipping point, but if feels like it will be arduous to return to a point where being obese is frowned upon and not hidden under figleaves.

We have an entire body positivity movement that makes people feel good about obesity. Culturally we’ve come to celebrate it. How do we expect people to keep fit under this culture? The main interests that benefit are junkfood on one facet and pharmaceuticals manufacturers on the other.

It’s becoming the modern alcohol but an addiction we could have avoided instead of celebrating.

As to alcohol while I don’t favor prohibition, I’d like ti return to an environment where no advertising/ promotion of said products is allowed.

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Post by chitowneats »

throwawaysleep wrote: post #11
lockhouse wrote: post #3

There’s really no getting around the fact that you need to live an active life of consuming things in moderation to be healthy.

The challenge is what is the closest hack to get around it, as most people, admittedly myself included, are not willing to exercise? Semaglutide seems to be the best bet right now.

An early death means you won't have to suffer as long, I guess. I don't want that outcome for you but it's where you're headed.

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Post by gloryjulio »

throwawaysleep wrote: post #11
lockhouse wrote: post #3

There’s really no getting around the fact that you need to live an active life of consuming things in moderation to be healthy.

The challenge is what is the closest hack to get around it, as most people, admittedly myself included, are not willing to exercise? Semaglutide seems to be the best bet right now.

The hack is to ingrain the law of physics to ur brain so that you get reminded constantly that you got to eat healthy and exercise to maintain your physical body

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Post by nimbius »

stametseater wrote: post #5

What interests me is how anybody could ever come to believe otherwise. The contrary belief flies in the face of all common sense, popular experience and medical science. It seems to come entirely from propaganda on social media telling fat people what they want to believe.

dont forget multinational processed food and snack vendors benefit immensely from the perception that hyperconsumption of sugar salt and fat is normal and good, and that your obesity is a shameless wonder to cherish unto the grave.

look at the sons and daughters of branded food conglomerate moguls and their top executives. youll likely find them quite trim.

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