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The Swedish Pandemic Approach: Now we know the results

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Re: The Swedish Pandemic Approach: Now we know the results

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Throughout the lockdown Sweden had consistently worse death statistics than Denmark, Norway and Finland, which make the most sense to compare to geographically and culturally.

And it's still true Sweden's approach was worse than theirs:

> However, Sweden did much worse than its Nordic neighbours, with Denmark registering just 1.5% excess mortality and Finland 1.0%. Norway had no excess mortality at all in 2020.

Re: The Swedish Pandemic Approach: Now we know the results

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That "result" is a fished statistic, as explained in an article of The Local: https://web.archive.org/web/20230310094110/https://www.thelo... Looking at the numbers in retrospect we see that the approach taken by Sweden was a good one. Just picking this one statistic out of many possible is dishonest though.

It should also be said that there wasn't one approach since it changed from week to week. It began very hands off with no restrictions about travelling to hot zones or even recommendations about face masks but morphed into banning all public gatherings of more than eight people.

Re: The Swedish Pandemic Approach: Now we know the results

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Only focusing on mortality from COVID ignores the very real detrimental health, mental-health, business and societal effects of lock-downs, so the long term benefits to the common man are very much more in their favor. On the other hand they totally blew the power grab opportunities that were taken advantage of by others. So from that perspective there are many politicians that are laughing their way to the bank. Loc…

> Only focusing on mortality from COVID ignores the very real detrimental health, mental-health, business and societal effects of lock-downs, so the long term benefits to the common man are very much more in their favor. Are they? This reads as petty reasoning of someone who refuses to admit they were wrong even though that data screams in their face, and instead try to grab hold of nonexistent data to justify their…

> Are they? This reads as petty reasoning of someone who refuses to admit they were wrong even though that data screams in their face, and instead try to grab hold of nonexistent data to justify their personal beliefs.

Oh, absolutely. In fact, I am rather confused which of the items in the list are even in question by you. Health issues - does anyone deny that many other health issues were not dealt with over lock-down [eg. our dentist refused to deal with anything not emergency level for over a year], or that elderly were left unattended because of lock down? Mental Heath issues - this has been discussed recently on HN, but it is pretty obvious, IMO. Business effects - China sets a perfect example, but why do you think all these relief bills were set up? Societal effects - also alot on HN, people are interacting less, and it is reflected in multiple ways.

The data is literally in your face on this, though I am always happy to see if there is something I am missing. Do you have links?

> This reads like a rebranding of the whole "Fauci wants to take over as dictator" conspiracy theory.

Wibber, wat? I don't mean Fauci. And hypocrites in politics exists on all sides of the spectrum.

Many are the country and county where the one in charge used lock-downs as a way of getting the subjects be much further under their thumb. China is a great example.

> the people most vulnerable to their propaganda are now disproportionately hit by the disease

Nope. I actually happen to have facts. In one heavily tracked city [Jerusalem], the community that was most lax about lock-downs also had the least deaths per age overall.

Vaccines are a whole other story [my family was vaccinated, and for better or worse, one got sick from it] - not directly related to the article.

Re: The Swedish Pandemic Approach: Now we know the results

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> The main reason for this different strategy was that the covid-19 mitigation in Sweden was handled by the expert agency, the Swedish Health Agency. That's the opposite to other countries, where covid-19 mitigation was handled by media and bureaucrats.

It was media and bureaucrats who handled the Swedish pandemic approach too, by putting the so called "expert agency" on a pedestal, worshiping it, abstaining from any form of critical questioning while branding the few critics that made their voices heard as saboteurs, and taking all of the mostly incorrect statements and claims that the agency spread during the initial waves, at face value.

Swedish columnist Viktor Barth-Kron recently described the outcome of Sweden's pandemic approach the following way, which I find quite fitting: "Tegnell (state epidemiologist at that time) and Löfven (prime minister at that time) were wrong about almost everything during the pandemic, but they turned out to be right when it comes to the big picture."

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