Remote update strikes again. Every manufacturer that abuses this mechanism for anything other than actual security updates should be fined in a way that registers on their stock price and if they do it twice they should be fined out of existence.
HP outrages printer users with firmware update suddenly bricking third-party ink
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#23How many times has HP dones this now? Who the hell is still buying HP printers? We, as dissminators should tell every consumer not to buy their crap. " It's a trap! "
DRM in printer supplies is hardly new. The first HP printer with DRM that comes to mind is the LaserJet 4100. RFID tags and whatnot, they backed off and went with cheaper solutions with the 4200 series. I think Lexmark pioneered selling the printers themselves as loss leaders.
I think perhaps what's getting lost here is that in the consumer space printers are being sold on a razor and blade model. The printers themselves are loss leaders. Your $100 laser printer definitely costs more than the sale price to manufacture. Eons ago Kodak tried to buck the trend with cheap consumables and a printer more or less sold at cost. Kodak bailed after a whole five years. Consumers care more about up front costs than they do about the cost of consumables – as it turns out most people are terrible about long term strategizing.
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#24Remote update strikes again. Every manufacturer that abuses this mechanism for anything other than actual security updates should be fined in a way that registers on their stock price and if they do it twice they should be fined out of existence.
>Every manufacturer that abuses this mechanism for anything other than actual security updates should be fined in a way that registers on their stock price and if they do it twice they should be fined out of existence.
No fines, just allow the customer to send back the devices and get a full refund plus all costs covered by the manufacturer...it could be so easy.
Give back the HP and buy a Brother....that would be called a self regulating Market.
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#25Remote update strikes again. Every manufacturer that abuses this mechanism for anything other than actual security updates should be fined in a way that registers on their stock price and if they do it twice they should be fined out of existence.
>Every manufacturer that abuses this mechanism for anything other than actual security updates should be fined in a way that registers on their stock price and if they do it twice they should be fined out of existence. No fines, just allow the customer to send back the devices and get a full refund plus all costs covered by the manufacturer...it could be so easy. Give back the HP and buy a Brother....that would be ca…
Brother apparently has been going down this path as well. I've read that they intentionally degrade print quality with third-party inks and other things [1,2]
[1] https://www.reddit.com/r/printers/comments/s9b2eg/brother_mf...
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#26My Dad was affected by this and I am now pissed after performing [Parental Support]. I had told him not to buy HP but he still thinks it is the 80s. Well, thankfully Brother Printers is now in my country and so I can smash that HP with a large hammer and call it a day.
On the discussion about this yesterday here, someone pointed out that Brother printers have gone the same route. Be careful before you buy.
I believe it's Epson who have the tank printers, you can put whatever ink you'd like I to them by design.
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#27Remote update strikes again. Every manufacturer that abuses this mechanism for anything other than actual security updates should be fined in a way that registers on their stock price and if they do it twice they should be fined out of existence.
>Every manufacturer that abuses this mechanism for anything other than actual security updates should be fined in a way that registers on their stock price and if they do it twice they should be fined out of existence. No fines, just allow the customer to send back the devices and get a full refund plus all costs covered by the manufacturer...it could be so easy. Give back the HP and buy a Brother....that would be ca…
I got an Epson ecotank and it really works nicely with third party inks
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#28Remote update strikes again. Every manufacturer that abuses this mechanism for anything other than actual security updates should be fined in a way that registers on their stock price and if they do it twice they should be fined out of existence.
>Every manufacturer that abuses this mechanism for anything other than actual security updates should be fined in a way that registers on their stock price and if they do it twice they should be fined out of existence. No fines, just allow the customer to send back the devices and get a full refund plus all costs covered by the manufacturer...it could be so easy. Give back the HP and buy a Brother....that would be ca…
This is a problem not solved by the market, for many reasons, but the most important one is that they all try to do this sooner or later. Shareholder value must increase and be found somewhere.
Only government regulations can keep capitalism in check, maybe an unpopular opinion on HN but it hurts startups too because the market is not penetrable for competition.
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#29Just imagine how much cheaper their printers and cartridges would be if they didn't waste money on security chips and OTA infrastructure
Maybe the point is to make their cartridges expensive.
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#30Earlier quoted context omitted.
On the discussion about this yesterday here, someone pointed out that Brother printers have gone the same route. Be careful before you buy.
I believe it's Epson who have the tank printers, you can put whatever ink you'd like I to them by design.
Brother has them as well. Hell, even HP does, for their business injet printers[0].