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Musk’s bid to start Neuralink human trials denied by FDA in 2022, report says

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Re: Musk’s bid to start Neuralink human trials denied by FDA in 2022, report says

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Post by photochemsyn »

Even DARPA dropped the idea of brain surgery and has gone back to non-invasive technology, Neuralink should do the same. (2018)

> "To try and figure out how to make this technology more accessible and not require surgical placement of a metal probe into people's brains, DARPA recently launched the NExt-Generation Nonsurgical Neurotechnology (N3) program. The plan is to make a device with similar capabilities, but it'll look more like an EEG cap that the pilot can take off once a mission is done."

https://futurism.com/the-byte/jets-pilots-mind-control-darpa

Plus enough with the animal torture already, for very dubious reasons at that.

Re: Musk’s bid to start Neuralink human trials denied by FDA in 2022, report says

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Post by _Microft »

wheelerof4te wrote: post #9

Too much hate here. It's surprising how quicly people jumped from "Elon is the genius" to "Elon is a fraud and a liar".

How do you know that people change their mind so easily? Isn’t it much more likely that the haters and fanboys are different people, commenting on different topics? It’s much easier to hate on a topic like this and much easier to cheer for him when SpaceX had some world-first success.

Re: Musk’s bid to start Neuralink human trials denied by FDA in 2022, report says

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Post by pfizerapproach »

coldpie wrote: post #19
wheelerof4te wrote: post #9

Too much hate here. It's surprising how quicly people jumped from "Elon is the genius" to "Elon is a fraud and a liar".

Telling loads of lies and committing massive amounts of fraud will do that to one's reputation, yes.

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Re: Musk’s bid to start Neuralink human trials denied by FDA in 2022, report says

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Post by litiholofan »

>The regulator said the company needed to do animal testing to show the battery was very unlikely to malfunction, which could damage brain tissue.

>Another reportedly serious concern from the FDA was that the implant's tiny wires—which are thinner than individual human hairs—could migrate into the brain, potentially causing inflammation, rupturing blood vessels, and impairing brain function. The FDA was also concerned about the device overheating and questioned whether it could be removed from people's brains without causing damage.

Brutal. I can't even imagine which is worse - a closed source neuralink or an open source one lmao.

Re: Musk’s bid to start Neuralink human trials denied by FDA in 2022, report says

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Post by mgiannopoulos »

jeromegv wrote: post #18
asynchronous wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In an almost completely controlled environment in a single city. Not to mention Uber has literally ran over and killed someone while driverless but let’s keep beating up Tesla.

It's not because Uber is worse that we have to accept Tesla's way of doing things. They have been lying to their customers about having full self driving available for years and now just admitted that some of their videos promoting it were actually entirely faked. Both can be wrong.

FSD is not available to the general public. It’s beta, can be used by customers who select to do so.

Re: Musk’s bid to start Neuralink human trials denied by FDA in 2022, report says

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Post by wefarrell »

asynchronous wrote: post #11
throwboatyface wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's pretty obvious that Waymo has done a million miles completely driverless with no major accidents, while Tesla has shipped a buggy and frequently updated piece of software to thousands of "beta testers" who demonstrate that it's unsafe on YouTube constantly.

In an almost completely controlled environment in a single city. Not to mention Uber has literally ran over and killed someone while driverless but let’s keep beating up Tesla.

That’s the point. Running trials in a controlled environment is responsible and exactly how something as dangerous as self driving cars should be tried.

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Post by rrdharan »

asynchronous wrote: post #11
throwboatyface wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's pretty obvious that Waymo has done a million miles completely driverless with no major accidents, while Tesla has shipped a buggy and frequently updated piece of software to thousands of "beta testers" who demonstrate that it's unsafe on YouTube constantly.

In an almost completely controlled environment in a single city. Not to mention Uber has literally ran over and killed someone while driverless but let’s keep beating up Tesla.

Uber had the decency (or foresight, shame, acceptance of reality) to give up on autonomous driving not too long after that.

Re: Musk’s bid to start Neuralink human trials denied by FDA in 2022, report says

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Post by shjake »

pfizerapproach wrote: post #10
gigatexal wrote: post #3

Give the over promise and (way, way, waaaaay) under deliver of all his self driving bloviations there’s no way in hell I’d be down to let him implant anything in my head.

Ok, but how is this relevant to the story? Participation is voluntary. Nobody forces you to anything.

Same applies to drugs? No?

Isn’t the point of the FDA to limit the consumption of potentially harmful substances despite the willingness of someone to consume it?

Re: Musk’s bid to start Neuralink human trials denied by FDA in 2022, report says

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Post by stevehawk »

pfizerapproach wrote: post #10
gigatexal wrote: post #3

Give the over promise and (way, way, waaaaay) under deliver of all his self driving bloviations there’s no way in hell I’d be down to let him implant anything in my head.

Ok, but how is this relevant to the story? Participation is voluntary. Nobody forces you to anything.

but how many people are willing to participate based on false information or reputation due to the perpetual hype/marketing/lies he has thrown out with regards to something. The general public thinks he has solved self driving, after all it's coming next year (for the tenth consecutive year), meanwhile an industry report recently ranked Tesla dead last in likelihood to deliver when compared to nearly 20 other companies.
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