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Re: Self-Host All the Things?

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Post by boguscoder »

justin_oaks wrote: post #19

I thought this article would go into more than a handful of apps. What apps do you think work well for self-hosting, even if it limited to us tech folk? I've self-hosted Grafana and InfluxDB for monitoring and metrics and found them OK to self host. The authentication and TLS setups were the most annoying. I've self hosted a few kinds of wiki software, but I eventually settled on a combination of a single Tiddlywiki…

+1 to influxDB (I use older Chronograf instead of Graphana) for home automation/ sensor monitoring, even on Rpi Zero hosting was very easy to start and zero maintenance from there

Re: Self-Host All the Things?

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Post by Axsuul »

Loving the "just right" labels. How does n8n compare to Activepieces?

Also those who are looking to dive deeper into self-hosting should join us at /r/selfhosted on Reddit.

Re: Self-Host All the Things?

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Post by rationalist »

dijit wrote: post #15
Nextgrid wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To be fair, if people are marking your emails as spam frequently enough to get your IPs/domains blacklisted then it suggests the system is working as designed and you shouldn’t be sending whatever you’re sending to those people.

Nah, about 2% of my "Thank you for ordering, here is your receipt" mails also get marked as spam. Some number of people just smack the "spam" button for nearly everything that is automated, and those "spam" buttons seem to work on absolute numbers not percentages; so if you have a high number of people in the pool then you will be false flagged eventually. We had a very explicit double opt-in system, made it super ea…

How do you prevent people from entering in the wrong address, and thus a random person receiving your emails?

If it's just a one-off receipt, I'll delete it. If that business I never had any business with starts spamming me, then I mark it as spam. Second receipt, pisses me off, a third receipt from the same company gets marked as spam etc. If you want to send more than one email, ask for permission.

Unfortunately I have a few technology-challenged acquaintances still using my common-ish firslast@ gmail, but once I get them switched over, everything that inbox receives will automatically be marked as spam.

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Post by bruce343434 »

kefirlife wrote: post #17
freitzkriesler2 wrote: post #2

Self hosting is great , except it's incredibly frustrating to get a good pipe to your home that has decent upload speeds. Even "business class " is downright awful. Thankfully this is slowly changing but not fast enough! Looking to run my own next cloud instance soon.

One option to consider if you really want to host something is to get some space at your local transit provider collocation space. You have access to considerably larger amounts of bandwidth without all the complications of getting the path to your home to be sufficiently high bandwidth, and with sufficient capacity for your purposes. If you want something relatively highly available then power redundancy is importan…

Not to mention the expense!

Re: Self-Host All the Things?

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Post by safety1st »

Nextgrid wrote: post #12
dijit wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I find it hard to believe that you can "free-ly" send e-mail to, say, 100,000 e-mails and actually have it get delivered at a high rate? I would love to learn if I'm wrong though. You can do this, I have done this, but honestly it's annoyingly painful and you're always one bad ad campaign away from being nuked to death by people marking your emails as spam. There's a lot of rules to follow and even when you follow…

To be fair, if people are marking your emails as spam frequently enough to get your IPs/domains blacklisted then it suggests the system is working as designed and you shouldn’t be sending whatever you’re sending to those people.

Is that the "Just So" story that people who don't work with email at scale believe?

Email deliverability is a full time job. There are so many "potential spam" markers that are interpreted differently (and opaquely) by different ESPs. Getting your email delivered to a lot of people is essentially non deterministic.

Including a link to a Google Doc in your message body is enough to get you blacklisted by some email providers if you don't have a prior history with them. Yes, there will usually be some process to get off the blacklists and doing it will mostly stick even if you continue to email Google Docs to people. But the key word there is mostly. As I said, deliverability (at least at scale) is a full time job.

Re: Self-Host All the Things?

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Post by gscott »

Nextgrid wrote: post #12
dijit wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I find it hard to believe that you can "free-ly" send e-mail to, say, 100,000 e-mails and actually have it get delivered at a high rate? I would love to learn if I'm wrong though. You can do this, I have done this, but honestly it's annoyingly painful and you're always one bad ad campaign away from being nuked to death by people marking your emails as spam. There's a lot of rules to follow and even when you follow…

To be fair, if people are marking your emails as spam frequently enough to get your IPs/domains blacklisted then it suggests the system is working as designed and you shouldn’t be sending whatever you’re sending to those people.

It's been my experience that people can't tell the difference between the delete button and the spam button.

Re: Self-Host All the Things?

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Post by IncRnd »

Nextgrid wrote: post #12
dijit wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I find it hard to believe that you can "free-ly" send e-mail to, say, 100,000 e-mails and actually have it get delivered at a high rate? I would love to learn if I'm wrong though. You can do this, I have done this, but honestly it's annoyingly painful and you're always one bad ad campaign away from being nuked to death by people marking your emails as spam. There's a lot of rules to follow and even when you follow…

To be fair, if people are marking your emails as spam frequently enough to get your IPs/domains blacklisted then it suggests the system is working as designed and you shouldn’t be sending whatever you’re sending to those people.

Except, that's not a fair take.

It only takes a moment for a single person to get your ip or domain balacklisted, not a concerted campaign. There are many blacklists that accept direct submissions from any unauthenticated person for any target domain/ip.

What's difficult is not to get onto a blacklist but to get off of a blacklist.

Re: Self-Host All the Things?

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Post by margorczynski »

As for hosting your own apps I found Hetzner VPS or something similar to be very good. Just pack them up into a docker-compose with your CI/CR pushing an image into a repository and you can host a lot of low-medium traffic solutions on a single box with the cost being a fraction of "the Cloud" (especially PaaS). On the box there is a single Nginx acting as a reverse proxy to the exposed compose ports offloading SSL.

In such a solution you just need to ask yourself should Postgres, Grafana etc. be shared between the apps or put into each one of the compose configs as a service and handled separately. Both have their upsides and downsides.

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