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Facebook and Google hand over user data, help police prosecute abortion seekers

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Re: Facebook and Google hand over user data, help police prosecute abortion seekers

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Abortions were a convenient way to keep women locked into the workforce. There could be no escape from wageslaving. Now that the population is in the shitter, they criminalize abortion.

That's at least a tertiary factor in "freeing" women.

1. The creation of domestic appliances that dramatically shorten house hold chores (washing clothing is a main one).

2. The move from the bulk of work labour being less physical.

Both meant there was less time needed to maintain a household, previously that was a full time job that seemed unpaid. And that women had suitable roles available in the work force where as manual labour would mean they likely couldn't compete with men for employment.

While society gained extra productivity from these changes, it's debatable if households gained financially as it was likely a powerful force in the mid century inflation.

I'd place centralised schooling in that list of things which freed up more labour. Contraceptives are recognised for this too, and I'm sure it lead to a sexual liberation at least.

Re: Facebook and Google hand over user data, help police prosecute abortion seekers

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post #12

Those who have nothing to hide have nothing to fear. Unless they change the laws and suddenly you have something to hide.

This echoes my sentiment perfectly.

Discussions on surveillance and misinformation often involve people advocating for granting more power to the government to prosecute who they believe violate their value system, unless the value system somehow changes and now you become the criminal. As an example, this is why breaking E2EE with backdoors to stop pedophilia, revoking immunity to social platforms for users' speech and the like are bad ideas - some day your values will become abhorrent, and the same tools that you used against others will be used against you.

Re: Facebook and Google hand over user data, help police prosecute abortion seekers

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It shouldn't be up to Facebook/Google to decide what is a crime, nor in which cases wiretapping should be allowed.

And as far as I know it isn't. At least these companies certainly comply with lawful warrants. They may be more helpful in cases of their choosing (e.g. CSAM) but are they really expected to refuse when a court orders them to assist with an investigation on the basis that they (to the extent possible for a company) disagree with the law in question?

Re: Facebook and Google hand over user data, help police prosecute abortion seekers

#26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Disingenuous. Contraception and abortions freed women from being locked into patriarchal family structures (see the thousands of years of history where women were passed from father, to brother, to husband with no choice in the matter).

Exactly For men, it was always "pro-choice", child support and paternity tests are a recent invention (and don't compare with how hard it is to raise a kid) If men got pregnant you could have your abortion together with your haircut

Are you advocating for the return of the barber surgeon?

Re: Facebook and Google hand over user data, help police prosecute abortion seekers

#27

Baffling to me that people still use Messenger. Not even switching the company is necessary, with WhatsApp at least they'd have message encryption.

I’d say most WhatsApp users don’t realize they are backing up to Google Drive in clear text.

Re: Facebook and Google hand over user data, help police prosecute abortion seekers

#29

The only take away from this article is that somehow they could read the change logs. Doesn't that fly in the face of metas own claims to not be able to? BI seems to be implying that abortion shouldn't be treated as a crime in places where it is a crime.

WhatsApp is supposedly end to end encrypted. Does Meta claim anything similar about its other platforms?

Re: Facebook and Google hand over user data, help police prosecute abortion seekers

#30
Although it probably sucks for the individuals at the receiving end of the scales of justice I believe this is an important public education campaign which will hopefully raise awareness of the scale and extent of data collection.

There seems to be a disconnect between data being collected from a terminal, how rich that data can be, and what it can be used for. If you use a digital keyboard your every keystroke can, and probably is being logged - we used to call this spyware, now even the keyboard app on your phone has clipboard sync (and it's built into Windows too!).

People need to be aware for example when activating javascript (and most don't know what that is), how much the various APIs are collecting and storing, which is used to build a "fingerprint" of your device.

The web (and digital devices in general) is actively hostile, anyone who uses noscript can attest to that and anyone who goes onto any news media website and opens "network" via web dev console can see how much data is flying to god knows where to do god knows what.

If you want to defy the state you need to be a master spy, this means actually thinking how you research, and probably learning a thing or two from Snowden (are you on wifi? open hotspot? is your device logging anything, if so, what? do you need to destroy the device afterwards incase it gets forensically inspected? If you could read /var/log what would be there and would it reveal anything about your situation? If you can't read /var/log then your device is actively hostile and not worth the risk).

Privacy is effort, and, in these cases, the 'seekers' are not spending enough effort on hiding their tracks and they are like fish in shallow water, easy pickings.

The ones who are clued up are not the ones who end up making the press, because they know exactly how to cover their tracks, and make it impossible to prove or disprove a fact, which, thankfully at least at this moment, is how justice works (for the most part).

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