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Re: Microsoft somehow brings iMessage to Windows – will it last?

#21

Post by reaperducer »

afavour wrote: post #9
eertami wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Having lived all over the world, but not the US, I don't think I've sent or received an SMS/text message once in the last decade (except for bad 2FA implementations). Apple's weird and semi-transparent (to the user) hybrid system of mixing a proprietary web protocol and SMS in the same app is obviously problematic, and the rest of the world moved on to other messaging services, but it's weird that the US is still stu…

It is a little odd that the US is so iMessage-heavy when the rest of the world isn't but IMO relying on another proprietary protocol (i.e. WhatsApp) really isn't great either. I kind of think everyone is in an awful place.

It is a little odd that the US is so iMessage-heavy when the rest of the world isn't

It's not odd at all.

Lots of iPhones in the US because of high incomes, and high iPhone availability. Lots of non-iPhones in the rest of the world because of comparatively low incomes, and significantly less iPhone availability.

I see no mystery.

Re: Microsoft somehow brings iMessage to Windows – will it last?

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Post by delta_p_delta_x »

reaperducer wrote: post #21
afavour wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is a little odd that the US is so iMessage-heavy when the rest of the world isn't but IMO relying on another proprietary protocol (i.e. WhatsApp) really isn't great either. I kind of think everyone is in an awful place.

It is a little odd that the US is so iMessage-heavy when the rest of the world isn't It's not odd at all. Lots of iPhones in the US because of high incomes, and high iPhone availability. Lots of non-iPhones in the rest of the world because of comparatively low incomes, and significantly less iPhone availability. I see no mystery.

> Lots of iPhones in the US because of high incomes, and high iPhone availability

The US is not the only country with a wealthy populace which tends to use mostly iPhones. The UK, Germany, Switzerland, the Baltics, Japan, South Korea, Singapore, and Taiwan are all roughly equally as wealthy (if not more so) per capita. However, in literally everywhere else but the US, people almost exclusively use third-party apps like WhatsApp, Telegram, WeChat, etc. iMessage is completely ignored, and the Messages app on iPhones is used solely for SMSes from carriers, 2FA OTPs, and random spam that is ignored.

Furthermore, several flagship Android phones rival iPhones in cost now.

Re: Microsoft somehow brings iMessage to Windows – will it last?

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Post by dento »

smoldesu wrote: post #20
barelysapient wrote: post #12

I think this is a trojan integration. MS will promptly appeal to the regulators (and possibly litigate) as soon as Apple breaks this.

Based on what, exaxtly?

Likely the new EU Digital Markets Act, which requires interoperabilty from messaging applications.

Re: Microsoft somehow brings iMessage to Windows – will it last?

#24

Post by saiya-jin »

afavour wrote: post #9
eertami wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Having lived all over the world, but not the US, I don't think I've sent or received an SMS/text message once in the last decade (except for bad 2FA implementations). Apple's weird and semi-transparent (to the user) hybrid system of mixing a proprietary web protocol and SMS in the same app is obviously problematic, and the rest of the world moved on to other messaging services, but it's weird that the US is still stu…

It is a little odd that the US is so iMessage-heavy when the rest of the world isn't but IMO relying on another proprietary protocol (i.e. WhatsApp) really isn't great either. I kind of think everyone is in an awful place.

I agree that proprietary protocols suck and users are harmed long term, iMessage due to reasons described is by far the worst : it doesn't even bother to tell senders reliably if recipients received it, not even going into read status.

Due to Apple's desperate need to keep all their inventions to themselves only regardless of long term effects (lightning port say hi and bye in quick succession), its worse than useless and actually harms communication between people. I don't know a single person/haven't met a single one in Switzerland in past 13 years who is using it, everybody is on some other competition (while working in IT and bank and quite a few folks here sport mostly older apple devices).

Re: Microsoft somehow brings iMessage to Windows – will it last?

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Post by rhaway84773 »

bmitc wrote: post #4

Having switched back to Android, it can be infuriating dealing with iPhone users. I get slammed with "messages" when someone reacts to a message and oftentimes, messages just don't show up or messages go to my iPad and not my phone. Apple makes this extremely confusing. The iPhone users never know of their message goes through or what they're actually sending to (my iCloud account or my phone number).

All this BS Apple has been doing is why my family and friends have largely switched exclusively to WhatsApp, although unfortunately that’s a little more troublesome now with Meta’s privacy issues.

Re: Microsoft somehow brings iMessage to Windows – will it last?

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Post by partiallypro »

bmitc wrote: post #4

Having switched back to Android, it can be infuriating dealing with iPhone users. I get slammed with "messages" when someone reacts to a message and oftentimes, messages just don't show up or messages go to my iPad and not my phone. Apple makes this extremely confusing. The iPhone users never know of their message goes through or what they're actually sending to (my iCloud account or my phone number).

My biggest gripe is when iPhone users share video or images, they are grainy nonsense. If Apple just moved to RCS this would be solved, but they refuse simply because they know it handicaps their competitor. The react thing has largely been fixed by Google on newer versions of messenger. It's impossible to fix the video stuff. People outside the US don't get it. They say everyone should switch to Whatsapp, etc, but getting millions of people to do that across tons of fractured messaging apps when there is one protocol that everyone can use...isn't easy or even viable at this point.

Re: Microsoft somehow brings iMessage to Windows – will it last?

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Post by afavour »

reaperducer wrote: post #21
afavour wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is a little odd that the US is so iMessage-heavy when the rest of the world isn't but IMO relying on another proprietary protocol (i.e. WhatsApp) really isn't great either. I kind of think everyone is in an awful place.

It is a little odd that the US is so iMessage-heavy when the rest of the world isn't It's not odd at all. Lots of iPhones in the US because of high incomes, and high iPhone availability. Lots of non-iPhones in the rest of the world because of comparatively low incomes, and significantly less iPhone availability. I see no mystery.

iPhone still only has 55% of the market in the US. There are very, very many Android users out there.

Re: Microsoft somehow brings iMessage to Windows – will it last?

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Post by dixie_land »

delta_p_delta_x wrote: post #22
reaperducer wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is a little odd that the US is so iMessage-heavy when the rest of the world isn't It's not odd at all. Lots of iPhones in the US because of high incomes, and high iPhone availability. Lots of non-iPhones in the rest of the world because of comparatively low incomes, and significantly less iPhone availability. I see no mystery.

> Lots of iPhones in the US because of high incomes, and high iPhone availability The US is not the only country with a wealthy populace which tends to use mostly iPhones. The UK, Germany, Switzerland, the Baltics, Japan, South Korea, Singapore, and Taiwan are all roughly equally as wealthy (if not more so) per capita. However, in literally everywhere else but the US , people almost exclusively use third-party apps l…

One of reasons WeChat and WhatsApp became popular in low income countries first, was that in those countries SMS were/are charged PER MESSAGE

Re: Microsoft somehow brings iMessage to Windows – will it last?

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Post by bmitc »

eertami wrote: post #8
bmitc wrote: post #4

Having switched back to Android, it can be infuriating dealing with iPhone users. I get slammed with "messages" when someone reacts to a message and oftentimes, messages just don't show up or messages go to my iPad and not my phone. Apple makes this extremely confusing. The iPhone users never know of their message goes through or what they're actually sending to (my iCloud account or my phone number).

Having lived all over the world, but not the US, I don't think I've sent or received an SMS/text message once in the last decade (except for bad 2FA implementations). Apple's weird and semi-transparent (to the user) hybrid system of mixing a proprietary web protocol and SMS in the same app is obviously problematic, and the rest of the world moved on to other messaging services, but it's weird that the US is still stu…

I also use WhatsApp and WeChat. The problem is getting everyone to agree on a personal or friend group preference.

Re: Microsoft somehow brings iMessage to Windows – will it last?

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Post by this_user »

tannhaeuser wrote: post #13
eertami wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Having lived all over the world, but not the US, I don't think I've sent or received an SMS/text message once in the last decade (except for bad 2FA implementations). Apple's weird and semi-transparent (to the user) hybrid system of mixing a proprietary web protocol and SMS in the same app is obviously problematic, and the rest of the world moved on to other messaging services, but it's weird that the US is still stu…

> the rest of the world moved on to other messaging services Speak for yourself. I'm not in the US and still prefer SMS, simply because you can port over your contacts and don't have to share them with shady businesses on a fscking platform, for freaking text messages, something we already did 30 years ago (not counting emails almost double as old).

So you'd rather pay extra to send completely unencrypted messages?
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