The Fediverse is already dead • Hacker News Board

Re: The Fediverse is already dead

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Post by pohl » Sat, Feb 25, 2023, 3:44 PM UTC

Eji1700 wrote: post #6

Erikun wrote: post #3

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It feels like every federated network will be judged by the worst actor in that network, whether or not they are isolated from each other. As a result it doesn't matter (for public opinion) if there are strictly moderated mastodon instances because they will be associated with the free-for-all ones by the Mastodon name alone. This is different from how the internet as a whole is interpreted, where both HN and 4chan c…

My thoughts exactly. Hell there are plenty of decent boards on 4chan, but everyone judges the site by the horrible ones (not that i particularly enjoy 4chan, but I know plenty of sane and reasonable people who do). This magical perfectly moderated wonderland led by the Mr Rodgers or whoever they think should be at the top of these things doesn't exist to my knowledge. Not saying it's right what people are doing, but…

Any single site should be judged by the worst elements it allows.

Re: The Fediverse is already dead

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Post by TMWNN » Sat, Feb 25, 2023, 4:20 PM UTC

The inability to move existing posts or DMs from one instance to another discourages Twitter blue-check types. What if your instance is blocked by others? What if your instance shuts down?[1] What if you change jobs? (I think the last is why we haven't seen CNN or BBC or Yale create an instance and its people start using it.)

[1] Such as the recent spectacular implosion of mastodon.lol after its owner got horribly abused by members over Hogwarts Legacy. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34748195>

Re: The Fediverse is already dead

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Post by Kye » Sat, Feb 25, 2023, 6:42 PM UTC

uonpopular_th wrote: post #8

bsaul wrote: post #7

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what's the link between your quote and "pandering to extremists" ? who is the extremist in your reasoning ? i'm trying to follow your argument but i honestly couldn't ( i also haven't followed mastodon dev story, so maybe that's why)

An extremist is someone who can't change her mind and won't change the subject.

That definition would make anyone who refuses to be silent about injustice an extremist.

Re: The Fediverse is already dead

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Post by jandrese » Sat, Feb 25, 2023, 7:13 PM UTC

pohl wrote: post #21

Eji1700 wrote: post #6

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My thoughts exactly. Hell there are plenty of decent boards on 4chan, but everyone judges the site by the horrible ones (not that i particularly enjoy 4chan, but I know plenty of sane and reasonable people who do). This magical perfectly moderated wonderland led by the Mr Rodgers or whoever they think should be at the top of these things doesn't exist to my knowledge. Not saying it's right what people are doing, but…

Any single site should be judged by the worst elements it allows.

I think the point is that the fediverse is more of a protocol than a site. That said people who run well moderated sites on the fediverse should probably try to distance themselves from the rest lest they get rolled up in the inevitable backlash when someone with media presence discovers other sites.

Re: The Fediverse is already dead

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Post by uonpopular_th » Sat, Feb 25, 2023, 9:08 PM UTC

Kye wrote: post #23

uonpopular_th wrote: post #8

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An extremist is someone who can't change her mind and won't change the subject.

That definition would make anyone who refuses to be silent about injustice an extremist.

No, those people are idiots.

Don't just talk about injustice, do something about it.

Re: The Fediverse is already dead

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Post by [deleted] » Sat, Feb 25, 2023, 9:54 PM UTC

uonpopular_th wrote: post #25

Kye wrote: post #23

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That definition would make anyone who refuses to be silent about injustice an extremist.

No, those people are idiots. Don't just talk about injustice, do something about it.

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Re: The Fediverse is already dead

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Post by pohl » Sun, Feb 26, 2023, 4:18 AM UTC

jandrese wrote: post #24

pohl wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Any single site should be judged by the worst elements it allows.

I think the point is that the fediverse is more of a protocol than a site. That said people who run well moderated sites on the fediverse should probably try to distance themselves from the rest lest they get rolled up in the inevitable backlash when someone with media presence discovers other sites.

Clearly. 4chan is a site, however. It’s not a relevant comparison.

Re: The Fediverse is already dead

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Post by throwaway049 » Sun, Feb 26, 2023, 6:13 PM UTC

raspyberr wrote: post #12

>It doesn’t matter that you can’t see them, as a Mastodon user you are sharing a social media platform with them. I really dislike this sort of argument. Doesn't it apply to anything? Your ISP, email, Facebook, internet, TCP/IP, WhatsApp, TikTok, roads, flats, air, city, country.

Computers in general too.

Re: The Fediverse is already dead

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Post by chitowneats » Sun, Feb 26, 2023, 6:16 PM UTC

raspyberr wrote: post #12

>It doesn’t matter that you can’t see them, as a Mastodon user you are sharing a social media platform with them. I really dislike this sort of argument. Doesn't it apply to anything? Your ISP, email, Facebook, internet, TCP/IP, WhatsApp, TikTok, roads, flats, air, city, country.

What solution for this "problem" would the author accept? The offenders would have to be denied internet access or computer ownership as far as I can tell.