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Social media is a cause, not a correlate, of mental illness in teen girls

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Re: Social media is a cause, not a correlate, of mental illness in teen girls

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No. Can you point to some history on this?

https://apnews.com/article/ce9e3e9c7595bae5034193112a75bb7e

That's about a '97 settlement of a '91 lawsuit...don't see how it is relevant to a discussion of "90s and 00s" media.

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I'm still reading it, but this is great so far. As a father to four little girls, though, it makes me feel really defeated. I can already see that social media has eroded my wife's mental health. I just don't know what to do in the next few years when our girls approach the age when everyone else will get an iPhone and have an Instagram account. I want to say no, but that leads to many other issues, including what th…

It’s ok for a 12yo to be out of the loop for a few hours. They see their friends every day at school.

Kids are a lot more susceptible to feeling left out of stuff. They don't know it's all the same crap everywhere yet ;)

There's also a spectrum of FOMO, from accidental to intentional. Some people feed off of excluding others.

Re: Social media is a cause, not a correlate, of mental illness in teen girls

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"It also creates a trap—a collective action problem—for girls and for parents. Each girl might be worse off quitting Instagram even though all girls would be better off if everyone quit."

I like this part, it is quite clear quitting social media alone is probably even worse and self-isolating than not taking part.

The solution would be to address it on a societal level, but that requires pretty strong societal/political will to put such a policy in place.

Such is the dilemma of the age, no doubt this is only one aspect, boys and even dating are affected on similar levels.

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The article promises evidence, but it starts by repeating the premise half a dozen times, then offering correlations and loose theories. If there was evidence in there, I missed it. Maybe there was. But even if there was this was a badly formatted article. Why can't people succinctly describe their thesis and then have a nice outline for the fine details on the proof? Is this not something we learn at uni, or even hi…

Ask ChatGPT to summarize the article for you?

Re: Social media is a cause, not a correlate, of mental illness in teen girls

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The article promises evidence, but it starts by repeating the premise half a dozen times, then offering correlations and loose theories. If there was evidence in there, I missed it. Maybe there was. But even if there was this was a badly formatted article. Why can't people succinctly describe their thesis and then have a nice outline for the fine details on the proof? Is this not something we learn at uni, or even hi…

I think he's trying to simplify it for a general audience, vs putting out an academic paper that might be discussed and nodded over, only to be misrepresented or over-simplified in health/science reporting and largely ignored.

I don't fully agree with his argument and have said so before (briefly, I think it overlooks other major contextual factors like increasing international violence and political polarization that are less obvious but just as deadly). Nevertheless I think his argument is worth examining because mass networking is resulting in huge social changes but many of these seem to be making most of us less happy.

Re: Social media is a cause, not a correlate, of mental illness in teen girls

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I'm still reading it, but this is great so far. As a father to four little girls, though, it makes me feel really defeated. I can already see that social media has eroded my wife's mental health. I just don't know what to do in the next few years when our girls approach the age when everyone else will get an iPhone and have an Instagram account. I want to say no, but that leads to many other issues, including what th…

It must be frustrating to see this problem approaching and not knowing what to do. I wonder if at some point the only way out is to radically change one's family's lifestyle. Maybe homeschooling, very limited technology at home, living in a community with like-minded people, something like that?

That's exactly how we've positioned ourselves so far, for a variety of reasons that mostly reduce to not feeling like our values fit in well with American society at-large. It's not perfect, but I hope you're right and it helps with this issue.

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It’s ok for a 12yo to be out of the loop for a few hours. They see their friends every day at school.

"Oh my god, did you see what Stacy posted last night!" But your daughter missed it because " you didn't let her have an Instagram account!" It seems to me that such worries are well-founded. At best, she made the decision herself and still feels the pain of it.

It’s time to develop a backbone. You’ll need one when she starts dating someone with a motorcycle and leather jacket, or modern equivalent.

Re: Social media is a cause, not a correlate, of mental illness in teen girls

#29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s ok for a 12yo to be out of the loop for a few hours. They see their friends every day at school.

"Oh my god, did you see what Stacy posted last night!" But your daughter missed it because " you didn't let her have an Instagram account!" It seems to me that such worries are well-founded. At best, she made the decision herself and still feels the pain of it.

Not all 12 year olds are in a single social group. If one is being left out because they don't have an instagram account, there's another social group they can gravitate to that has other interests besides instagram posts.

Re: Social media is a cause, not a correlate, of mental illness in teen girls

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I wonder if online dating tends to lead to similar impacts to mental health for some groups of people as social media does to teen girls. Just like in Haidt's examples, it's impersonal, phone-based, leading to constant social comparison, feelings of rejection, ostracism and ghosting. I wouldn't be shocked if a few years from now research came out showing that it has similar effects to adults, but they're just better…

Tinder was definitely a contributor to my last bout of depression
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