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Amazon employees push CEO Andy Jassy to drop return-to-office mandate

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Re: Amazon employees push CEO Andy Jassy to drop return-to-office mandate

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this RTO mandates are getting old. Do people, in general, believe that we can revert to whatever we were doing before the pandemic started?

>Do people, in general, believe that we can revert to whatever we were doing before the pandemic started?

Why not?

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this RTO mandates are getting old. Do people, in general, believe that we can revert to whatever we were doing before the pandemic started?

I mean unless proven otherwise most companies do believe that. What happened to that Vote with your feet / vote with your wallet thing?

It was rebranded as cancel culture and demonized

Until management can prove being in office drives productivity and all that energy was not merely fueled by lots of people around each other being just as useless, it’s a bias to maintain power and privilege

The economic philosophy of our society is no more a sacrosanct truth than religion

Office life is a social prison that enables their expropriation of agency and outputs

Re: Amazon employees push CEO Andy Jassy to drop return-to-office mandate

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Remote work definitely comes down to a company culture issue. For most engineering jobs I would say flexibility is a massive competitive advantage. There are so many great engineers out there who prefer not to be in the office it's a great talent pool, but needs to be actively managed in order to get the best out of it. Having said that, Amazon comes across as exactly the company that would require you to be in the o…

imho Amazon has a big problem with its image and hiring. It is literally impossible to find good developers that want to work for Amazon. Taking advantage of the current market conditions to do this is going to spectacularly backfire once the market recovers.

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Constructive dismissal is still a layoff.

I'm all for remote work in tech, but I also think it might be difficult to convince a court that "please come to work" is creating a hostile work environment.

I guess it depends on the circumstances. Like if they were told they could go full remote, and the employee moved out of state and settled down somewhere where there is no office, now to be told j/k get back in here, seems like a case could be made.

Re: Amazon employees push CEO Andy Jassy to drop return-to-office mandate

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Remote work definitely comes down to a company culture issue. For most engineering jobs I would say flexibility is a massive competitive advantage. There are so many great engineers out there who prefer not to be in the office it's a great talent pool, but needs to be actively managed in order to get the best out of it. Having said that, Amazon comes across as exactly the company that would require you to be in the o…

The company hired and promised whole orgs and teams remote work for the last two years, many in areas with no Amazon offices. Some were tied to offices 3+ hours away on paper, but during recruiting were promised never returned to office. Others have remote only as a condition of their employment.

When your recruiter, boss, director, VP are all remote and promising a remote only employment, what are you supposed to think?

Re: Amazon employees push CEO Andy Jassy to drop return-to-office mandate

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this was due to low interest rates and savings/stimmies not anything about remote work

Really, it had nothing to do with people ordering even more online for home delivery than prior to the pandemic? You don't think that folks might continue ordering more home delivery if they aren't out driving every day? References for the other reasons for their growth can be found with even the slightest effort. [0] https://duckduckgo.com/?t=lm&q=amazon+pandemic+growth+cause&... [1] https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/…

For some things like delivered food, delivery is a luxury.

However, I fully expect that during the pandemic people discovered a lot of things that they could have picked up in the next couple of days in "only" 25 minutes or so can actually be ordered from Amazon at competitive prices. I ordered from Amazon a lot pre-pandemic but added various random stuff instead of going to, say, Home Depot.

Re: Amazon employees push CEO Andy Jassy to drop return-to-office mandate

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The thing is, this becomes theater of working. Imagine commuting to the office 60-90 minutes each direction just to sit in a stuffy room and zoom

Want to talk collaboration and productivity? Let's see if a company bans zoom for office days (but none will)

And im not even going to start on the complete waste of time of people in an open space talking non stop about their fantasy football draft. I haven't heard those words in 3 years, it was nice that way

Re: Amazon employees push CEO Andy Jassy to drop return-to-office mandate

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The complaints are also getting old. If you were hired with the expectation that you go in the office, RTO is an eventual expected outcome. I do see the psychology of taking away what many see as a "benefit", but it's really just going back to the norm.

Hmm... the complaints are getting old? I guess the beatings need to continue until morale improves. https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0535/6917/products/traditi... Hard disagree with "If you were hired with the expectation that you go in the office, RTO is an eventual expected outcome." Ask yourself why do we need to RTO? Who needs the RTO?

we should all read between the lines, this big push is from those that invest in the office buildings and surrounding businesses chains, and are hurting from lower proximity of consumers.

Stop making your own meals, start consuming from their fast food chain down the block from the building theyre leasing to your company.

Stop for gas and buy from their other investments close by.

Need people to stop being so self sufficient at home, and suck the rich tit.

We are so desperate for the help :( /$

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