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A hacking and disinformation team meddling in elections

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Re: A hacking and disinformation team meddling in elections

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Another discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34803779

Better article than this. The sad thing is we’re probably trivially close to the tech needed for direct democracy, but the powers that be use tech to confuse and supplant democratic institutions and propose their authoritarian rule.

Direct democracy with full vote transparency for every voter.

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First it was Russia meddling with elections (Trump, Brexit), now it's a team led by an ex Israeli special forces guy — which reminds me a bit of the NSO Group story. You know what is terrifying? That upon learning about Russia having a major hand in Western election, nothing concrete was done. In Britain we learned the whole Brexit movement was paid for, and manipulated by Russian money (and it was arguably a crucial…

wasn't 'Russia meddling' a planted story by US domestic intelligence, as has come to light in the Twitter files?

Yes, but people that were duped prefer to keep that info from themselves

Re: A hacking and disinformation team meddling in elections

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First it was Russia meddling with elections (Trump, Brexit), now it's a team led by an ex Israeli special forces guy — which reminds me a bit of the NSO Group story. You know what is terrifying? That upon learning about Russia having a major hand in Western election, nothing concrete was done. In Britain we learned the whole Brexit movement was paid for, and manipulated by Russian money (and it was arguably a crucial…

What exactly should have been done? I don't see why a "top politician jailed" is something that should happen unless they committed a crime. Trump benefited from Russian meddling and refused to admit that it happened, which is a gross failure, but its not criminal. That should be a behavior that loses votes from voters, but that's a very different problem.

The only official actions that should have been taken in response were sanctions or other international relations consequences for Russia. Trump's biggest failing on this issue was to not realize he could do this without compromising the legitimacy of his election.

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Better article than this. The sad thing is we’re probably trivially close to the tech needed for direct democracy, but the powers that be use tech to confuse and supplant democratic institutions and propose their authoritarian rule.

Direct democracy with full vote transparency for every voter.

That's what the USSR had. Didn't work so well. A secret ballot is a major requirement for democracy.

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Better article than this. The sad thing is we’re probably trivially close to the tech needed for direct democracy, but the powers that be use tech to confuse and supplant democratic institutions and propose their authoritarian rule.

Direct democracy with full vote transparency for every voter.

I don't what you mean by vote transparency, but I definitely do not want to be accountable to my boss for voting against his political opinions.

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Direct democracy with full vote transparency for every voter.

I don't what you mean by vote transparency, but I definitely do not want to be accountable to my boss for voting against his political opinions.

Point is, whatever option is agreeable wouldn’t require the kind of build out to get us here-wiring up the internet, researching and scaling smartphone tech, etc. direct democracy seems like a pretty obvious max for logistical problems to governance and modern tech would make it possible. So anything below it possible too.

Re: A hacking and disinformation team meddling in elections

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First it was Russia meddling with elections (Trump, Brexit), now it's a team led by an ex Israeli special forces guy — which reminds me a bit of the NSO Group story. You know what is terrifying? That upon learning about Russia having a major hand in Western election, nothing concrete was done. In Britain we learned the whole Brexit movement was paid for, and manipulated by Russian money (and it was arguably a crucial…

Eh? Twitter Files is a thing now.

“WASHINGTON (TND) — The latest Twitter files release shows the company knew there was no evidence of Russians spreading disinformation on the platform as Democrats pushed those accusations in the media.”

https://abcnews4.com/news/nation-world/russian-disinformatio...

Re: A hacking and disinformation team meddling in elections

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't what you mean by vote transparency, but I definitely do not want to be accountable to my boss for voting against his political opinions.

Point is, whatever option is agreeable wouldn’t require the kind of build out to get us here-wiring up the internet, researching and scaling smartphone tech, etc. direct democracy seems like a pretty obvious max for logistical problems to governance and modern tech would make it possible. So anything below it possible too.

They have direct democracy in Switzerland and they don't need the internet for that.

Re: A hacking and disinformation team meddling in elections

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First it was Russia meddling with elections (Trump, Brexit), now it's a team led by an ex Israeli special forces guy — which reminds me a bit of the NSO Group story. You know what is terrifying? That upon learning about Russia having a major hand in Western election, nothing concrete was done. In Britain we learned the whole Brexit movement was paid for, and manipulated by Russian money (and it was arguably a crucial…

Russia Meddling was all sourced from Hamilton 68, which is now completely discredited.

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1619029772977455105.html

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