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Ohio train derailment: environmental disaster quietly unfolding

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Re: Ohio train derailment: environmental disaster quietly unfolding

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Some of the best reporting on this with actual data is coming from social media (as usual), versus from official sources. Here is someone reviewing the manifest of chemicals and number of spilled train cars: https://www.tiktok.com/@nickdrom/video/7199486059212868910

So this train was carrying all of these various chemicals, but it wasn't classified as a High-Hazard Flammable Train?

Re: Ohio train derailment: environmental disaster quietly unfolding

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I've heard about this, but it is surprising how little coverage it gets compared to other things. If you were to tally up how much airtime each news story gets, plotted against the general tone of the coverage, you'd probably come up with something resembling the news room agenda (you'd also have to weigh it against other stories developing at around the same time). I have to wonder why a story of environmental disas…

Because the guilty party are ad buyers.

Re: Ohio train derailment: environmental disaster quietly unfolding

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Evidently this briefly hit the mass tv news cycle then went silent... This deserves wide scale attention... Pollution and toxic destruction needs to trigger a commensurate fine both for clean up and punitive damages sufficient to motivate big business to proactively avoid these events Looks like media has been told to drop this story... Or even worse to self censor anything outside it's allowed news topic criteria

What media? I saw it on CNN today. Fox News's website has multiple stories about this from the last hour.

The only place where the train stuff seems underrepresented is on some of the big subreddits (which are echo chambers already, so not surprising)

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Probably because it happened to a village of 200 people in the relative middle of nowhere.

Remember the Flint water crisis? That was a population-dense city, with multiple school districts all being poisoned by lead and legionnaires disease. Nobody cared about it until it was turned into a political negligence story, then it was all you could see on Fox and CNN...

People just don't really care about this stuff. It's novel from a social media perspective (black plume of smoke occludes forested midwestern town!) but it's not like the media has any shortage of humanitarian crises to report on.

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This was posted to reddit the other day: https://old.reddit.com/r/interestingasfuck/comments/110nlai/...

The footage has a lot of NSFW language, so just watch out for that. Within that thread there's some good discussion about some of the compounds that are being released into the air, and it is indeed very grim.

Interestingly here in Australia, I've heard about it a lot more in traditional media than my American friends seem to be hearing.

Re: Ohio train derailment: environmental disaster quietly unfolding

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Does the NTSB look into train derailments? Would be interesting to see whether the systems engineering for trains hauling large quantities of industrial chemicals is on par with that of airlines. If not, it probably should be.

There are defect detectors on rail lines, "hot box" detectors [1] [2], that are infrared detectors used to observe and report bearing failures on a train. My understanding of the situation is that with the current rail labor configuration, railroad workers are only permitted ~90 seconds to verify the operational capacity of the wheelset on a rail car vs a previous average of 3 minutes.

Also, more importantly, someone at a railroad indicated "crews are no longer notified of the defects. The dispatch makes that call and then notifies the crew", which means train operators might not even be aware they have a dangerous car in operation (and the data indicates a bearing can fail outright within minutes of being observed as being "hot" [3]).

High level, this is a result of "Precision Railroading" [4], which is just a fancy term of running a railroad with just enough labor to continue to operate. Congress voted to prevent union railroad labor from striking [5], so what actions take place after this incident remain to be seen. The Purpose Of The System Is What It Does [6], and as designed, this system is configured to extract billions of dollars in profits from rail freight operations [7] while avoiding liability for any damages caused or labor costs that can be avoided.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defect_detector

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hot_box

[3] https://doi.org/10.1080/23248378.2019.1636721

[4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Precision_railroading

[5] https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/02/business/railway-labor-act-fr...

[6] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_purpose_of_a_system_is_wha...

[7] https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/24/business/union-pacific-railro...

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