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Temple Student Strike Turns Ugly as School Ends Some Tuition Aid

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Re: Temple Student Strike Turns Ugly as School Ends Some Tuition Aid

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Post by bruceb »

shishy wrote: post #9

Bone headed move. They must have miscalculated if they think the students will cave to this pressure. Also, how can they take away tuition reimbursement for the whole semester if the strike hasnt been that long? Garbage administration. I hope the students win and that this isnt the new normal.

>They must have miscalculated if they think the students will cave to this pressure.

Have they miscalculated?

Not a comment on the right or wrong of this action but the article says this 80% of similar grad students have not gone on strike. Would be good to know how distributed across academic fields this strike is. If it is a few from each, then it seems Temple can just wait them out. If it is focused on just one area maybe not. This article is very light on detail.

Re: Temple Student Strike Turns Ugly as School Ends Some Tuition Aid

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Post by willcipriano »

ro_bit wrote: post #17
willcipriano wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They arent working this semester, you can't take a signing bonus then not show up for work.

Striking is not the same as quitting. If negotiations were ratified next week, workers would return and could not face retaliation in benefits or pay for striking. The university could withhold pay for missed shifts during the strike and potentially clawback a prorated portion of the remission at best, but clawing back remissions in their entirety and charging late fees for not paying by a deadline is bad faith and w…

What if they don't come to a agreement? They would owe tuition at that point (if they wish to continue attending classes) correct?

Right now there is no agreement, so that is reflected in the bills they have received, if a future agreement is reached an updated bill can be issued.

Re: Temple Student Strike Turns Ugly as School Ends Some Tuition Aid

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Post by VanTheBrand »

bruceb wrote: post #21
shishy wrote: post #9

Bone headed move. They must have miscalculated if they think the students will cave to this pressure. Also, how can they take away tuition reimbursement for the whole semester if the strike hasnt been that long? Garbage administration. I hope the students win and that this isnt the new normal.

>They must have miscalculated if they think the students will cave to this pressure. Have they miscalculated? Not a comment on the right or wrong of this action but the article says this 80% of similar grad students have not gone on strike. Would be good to know how distributed across academic fields this strike is. If it is a few from each, then it seems Temple can just wait them out. If it is focused on just one ar…

No, the article doesn’t say that’s, it says that in a statement the university said that. They are (if not outright lying) surely calculating that number in the most favorable way possible probably doing things like include remote grad students, etc.

Re: Temple Student Strike Turns Ugly as School Ends Some Tuition Aid

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Post by SamoyedFurFluff »

cabaalis wrote: post #19

Matching tshirts and signs for a decent sized group aren't cheap. I see stuff like this often in protests. Who pays?

In my experience the union pays, both with fees and also through fundraising. See: the Harper collins union strike was able to go 50+ days, including holidays, with the crowdfunding of a supportive literary community.

Re: Temple Student Strike Turns Ugly as School Ends Some Tuition Aid

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Post by luckylion »

oneoff786 wrote: post #10
willcipriano wrote: post #4

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People are not complaining that they are not paid for the period they are working. They are complaining that participating in the strike has revoked their tuition remission for the entire semester. Idiot leader. This will play out incredibly poorly. Grad students put up with more than they ought to already.

Would you still get equity grants and bonuses if you went on strike while working at a normal company?

Re: Temple Student Strike Turns Ugly as School Ends Some Tuition Aid

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Post by chrisabrams »

akavi wrote: post #11
TillE wrote: post #5

As various lawyers have commented on Twitter, this seems like an insanely blatant violation of labor laws. Just a straight up written confession of illegal retaliation. Unless they have some obscure exemption that nobody else knows about, I cannot imagine how the university's legal counsel signed off on this.

Are companies not allowed to stop paying wages to striking employees? Or is it that tuition remission is viewed as distinct from wages legally?

Students are not employees.

Re: Temple Student Strike Turns Ugly as School Ends Some Tuition Aid

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Post by giantg2 »

akavi wrote: post #11
TillE wrote: post #5

As various lawyers have commented on Twitter, this seems like an insanely blatant violation of labor laws. Just a straight up written confession of illegal retaliation. Unless they have some obscure exemption that nobody else knows about, I cannot imagine how the university's legal counsel signed off on this.

Are companies not allowed to stop paying wages to striking employees? Or is it that tuition remission is viewed as distinct from wages legally?

My understanding is that unions pay out during a strike. That's one of the uses of union dues.
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