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Reddit mods and scaling problems in social control

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Re: Reddit mods and scaling problems in social control

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It's not a scaling problem , it s a "reddit likes free labor" problem. They aren't going to give up on the small group of self-important idiots who named themselves mods 15 years ago and still havent quit, because they can't find new ones. No sane person will do such work for free in 2023

Trying to reason on the behavior of the mods is like arguing with the weather

Re: Reddit mods and scaling problems in social control

#22

Reddit mods are arguably the worst part of reddit. It's so refreshing to come to HN and see (community- and mod-powered) moderation done right

It varies by sub, and by the purpose of the sub. Some are terrible, some are quite good.

For example, the mods of r/askhistorians are so strict that in most threads the majority of the comments are deleted. But they apply the rules consistently, and keep the sub tightly focused on questions answered by professional historians, in detail, with sources. If you have a historical question you'd like answered, it's an amazing resource.

Re: Reddit mods and scaling problems in social control

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post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>For people who are saying "thankfully HN is different!", it really isn't. Yes it is. HN's moderation is run by HN. The rules are applied consistently because there are are no third party mods or rules. People know what to expect and that builds community better. You don't have to wonder if some edgelord mod is going to get home from school and delete your post based on their mood.

I think you missed my entire point then. > HN's moderation is run by HN No, it's run by a few humans. > The rules are applied consistently Yes, because those humans are awesome and consistent. > because there are are no third party mods or rules. That's not why reddit is different. It's because a lot of the humans that run the subreddits are inconsistent. But some run their subreddits just like HN. If you think of HN…

>No, it's run by a few humans.

Dang is employed by HN.

>That's not why reddit is different. It's because a lot of the humans that run the subreddits are inconsistent.

You're disagreeing and then saying something that isn't appreciably different.

Re: Reddit mods and scaling problems in social control

#24
I think one point the author is missing (or maybe I missed it in my reading) is that large subreddits are mostly about consumption and that's what makes them less fun as a community. People post to r/pics for the chance their image, or a comment on the image, garners huge amounts of upvotes for clout on the site. In addition to volume, another reason they don't want people to submit their links is because users don't want the competition to be corrupted by corporate marketing departments.

Re: Reddit mods and scaling problems in social control

#25
I find Reddit mods are particularly power crazy. Most of them seem to be doing it for power rather than for love of the content of their sub. There is so much personal bias and posts removed for personal reasons, or just to flex. I’m not speculating on the reason, but it’s definitely like that.

Re: Reddit mods and scaling problems in social control

#27
Would it be potentially viable to make moderators more like filterers (e.g. like filter lists in Ublock Origin)?

You could "subscribe" to a moderator if you like the way they filter content, and if you "unsubscribed" from all moderators you'd get as much of an "unfiltered" view as possible.

Bad moderators, over time, would get less and less subscriptions to their filtering of content, and would have to adapt, or be fine with less "power" over the content they moderate.

Re: Reddit mods and scaling problems in social control

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post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you missed my entire point then. > HN's moderation is run by HN No, it's run by a few humans. > The rules are applied consistently Yes, because those humans are awesome and consistent. > because there are are no third party mods or rules. That's not why reddit is different. It's because a lot of the humans that run the subreddits are inconsistent. But some run their subreddits just like HN. If you think of HN…

>No, it's run by a few humans. Dang is employed by HN. >That's not why reddit is different. It's because a lot of the humans that run the subreddits are inconsistent. You're disagreeing and then saying something that isn't appreciably different.

Dan is HN. The analogy to a subreddit is good; Dan has in fact much more control over HN than a moderator does of a subreddit.

Re: Reddit mods and scaling problems in social control

#29
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I think the author doesn't understand that reddit mods don't work for reddit. In their discussion with the mods they mention "site-wide rules" which makes me think they don't understand that the mods of each reddit make their own rules. On that sub, their rules don't allow people who mostly post links to their own site. It's up to you if agree with their rule, but those are the rules they have chosen. The common resp…

>For people who are saying "thankfully HN is different!", it really isn't. Yes it is. HN's moderation is run by HN. The rules are applied consistently because there are are no third party mods or rules. People know what to expect and that builds community better. You don't have to wonder if some edgelord mod is going to get home from school and delete your post based on their mood.

That's not correct. Users can "moderate" by flagging comments, which hides them. dang rarely undoes a flag.

Re: Reddit mods and scaling problems in social control

#30
post #6

FWIW, promoting a bunch of your content (even if original) is seen as anti-participatory in some communities. Even HN recommends against it in the guidelines. While we're at it, at HN's scale you see the same polarization of engagement in /new. Simply posting original quality doesn't warrant engagement. Reddit gives you a myriad of subreddit case studies to blow-up, but I think this is less of a scaling problem and m…

> Simply posting original quality doesn't warrant engagement.

Timing and luck is essential in any upvote/downvote community.

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