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Re: Twitter restricted in Turkey in aftermath of earthquake

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post #5

In the case of protests etc I'd understand the goal behind it from certain actors involved, but why in this case?

Despotic regimes hate to be criticized. Or anything that might make them look bad, including how they handle an earthquake.

Including how they handled the years up to the earthquake and how much corruption influenced the country's ability to improve their housing stock with respect to earthquake resilience. I think that's the main source of worry for Erdogan and his cronies. The 'building amnesty' was a clear bone thrown at business interests at the (literal) expense of the rest of the population.

Thousands of buildings collapsed killing lots of people inside them. Once the dead have been buried there will be calls for why nothing was done to improve the housing stock and in a de-facto dictatorship the buck stops with the dictator. Erdogan isn't going to be able to weasel his way out of this one without claiming another fake coup.

And that's before we get into the fact that for obvious reasons Turkey isn't able to handle the aftermath of this alone, and that makes Erdogan look weak. The fact that they are happy to switch off Twitter even though it is saving lives by allowing people to be found under the rubble is telling: even now the lives of the Turks matter less to the regime than their own image.

Re: Twitter restricted in Turkey in aftermath of earthquake

#22
post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not up to date on how the Turkish government is handling this but I'm willing to bet it has something to do with how they're not doing a great job at proving aid to the affected region, and they're trying to contain that information to save face.

Reading a bit it seems to be potentially that the recommendations after the last big quake haven't been followed up properly. So basically stronger building requirements, with government validation was the plan; in reality not done (properly) and "checked" by paid companies.

My first thought on seeing some of the images was that there must be some criminal negligence involved. There is one area with 20 or so similar looking apartment buildings (about 6 levels each) where every second one has completely pancaked.

I was in Christchurch, New Zealand during the 2011 earthquakes. Only 2 major building completely collapsed. One had been designed by an engineer with insufficient qualifications and the other had design issues that were previously identified but never addressed.

Re: Twitter restricted in Turkey in aftermath of earthquake

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post #5

In the case of protests etc I'd understand the goal behind it from certain actors involved, but why in this case?

Paranoid government? It probably fears insturgents can misuse earthquake to spread chaos and overthrow it. I don't believe people would support them (hypothetical insturgents) in such circumstances.

Re: Twitter restricted in Turkey in aftermath of earthquake

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Turkish here. This is unbelievable, but totally expected from the current "democractic" government. Social media usage is very high in Türkiye and people are coordinating using social media (mainly Twitter) for rescue operations in near realtime. I'm pretty much sure some people will literally die under wreckage because of communication interruptions as the result of this block. (For anyone telling to use VPN, yeah,…

When you use quotes around “Democratic” do you mean the elections are rigged? I’m not familiar with the legitimacy or lack thereof of Turkish elections.

Re: Twitter restricted in Turkey in aftermath of earthquake

#25
post #12

People asked Elon Musk on twitter to deploy Starlink to Turkey and he said he can't because it is not approved. I wonder why.

There is a difference between war and executive priviledges. The former (Russia) unilaterally imposed a decision (war) on another government and its people. The latter (erdogan) is acting in his capacity as the elected representative of the people. Starlink cannot override the decision of the elected executive. He needs approval for that.

Approval from whom?

Re: Twitter restricted in Turkey in aftermath of earthquake

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Turkish here. This is unbelievable, but totally expected from the current "democractic" government. Social media usage is very high in Türkiye and people are coordinating using social media (mainly Twitter) for rescue operations in near realtime. I'm pretty much sure some people will literally die under wreckage because of communication interruptions as the result of this block. (For anyone telling to use VPN, yeah,…

Is there anything specific about Twitter here, or is it just the most popular? I don't see why they couldn't do the same on Facebook, Telegram or some other platform.

Re: Twitter restricted in Turkey in aftermath of earthquake

#28
post #15

What about "tooting"? Can they "toot" still?

They could block big instances but have no chance of blocking smaller ones due the distributed nature. But the same goes for blogs, e-mails and other forms of information exchange. The problem is none of those have global audience like Twitter does, love it or hate it.

Re: Twitter restricted in Turkey in aftermath of earthquake

#29
There is/was an active disinformation campaign on Twitter attempting to link the earthquake to Türkiye denying Nato expansion. The ridiculous conspiracy theory is that the US used a HAARP system to cause the earthquake in retaliation.

Not saying that's the reason for the ban, but twitter is not solely a force for good here.

Re: Twitter restricted in Turkey in aftermath of earthquake

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post #12

People asked Elon Musk on twitter to deploy Starlink to Turkey and he said he can't because it is not approved. I wonder why.

There is a difference between war and executive priviledges. The former (Russia) unilaterally imposed a decision (war) on another government and its people. The latter (erdogan) is acting in his capacity as the elected representative of the people. Starlink cannot override the decision of the elected executive. He needs approval for that.

>> elected representative of the people.

Was he?

>>Starlink cannot override the decision of the elected executive. He needs approval for that.

Pretty sure he could given the service is in space and Turkey lacks the ability or even really legitimate authority to enforce rules in Low earth orbit.

Elon chooses not to because he has enough hot water with US Politicians than to open up that mess. I bet is more worried but US government reactions here than Turkey;s government

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