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Re: Elementary OS 7

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Post by jchw »

smoldesu wrote: post #17

Where is Wayland support standing for Elementary? I'm glad the project is still around, but the dream of a Mac-like HID experience won't be complete without gesture support and smooth windowing. Now that KDE and GNOME are both using Wayland sessions and implement 1:1 touchpad gestures, it's hard to recommend the Pantheon desktop (even if a lot of the apps are excellent!)

I hate to add even more of a wishlist, but in addition to moving towards a Wayland environment, it would be nice to see an immutable root as well. SteamOS on deck has sold me on this concept; as long as there's plenty of escape hatches and the ability to disable it, I view it as a plus, and no doubt it makes updates excellent. These two features would make Elementary OS the very obvious recommendation for anyone curious about Linux but wanting an environment that actually works and looks nice. Today on Linux, it feels like you are more often than not stuck between choosing one or the other...

Regarding Wayland, it looks like it has been hacked on here and there but doesn't seem to be a priority yet:

https://github.com/elementary/gala/wiki/Experimenting-with-W...

Hopefully by the time it is, NVIDIA's driver will have better stability with Wayland compositors.

Re: Elementary OS 7

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Post by smoldesu »

jchw wrote: post #21
smoldesu wrote: post #17

Where is Wayland support standing for Elementary? I'm glad the project is still around, but the dream of a Mac-like HID experience won't be complete without gesture support and smooth windowing. Now that KDE and GNOME are both using Wayland sessions and implement 1:1 touchpad gestures, it's hard to recommend the Pantheon desktop (even if a lot of the apps are excellent!)

I hate to add even more of a wishlist, but in addition to moving towards a Wayland environment, it would be nice to see an immutable root as well. SteamOS on deck has sold me on this concept; as long as there's plenty of escape hatches and the ability to disable it, I view it as a plus, and no doubt it makes updates excellent. These two features would make Elementary OS the very obvious recommendation for anyone curi…

As a NixOS user I'll generally agree, as long as there are still options for people who want to use Pantheon on a more traditional OS. Immutable roots are cool, but feel like a novelty when so much software breaks under it. Great to have as an option for sure though.

> Hopefully by the time it is, NVIDIA's driver will have better stability with Wayland compositors.

I think Nvidia's support is pretty much complete. Plasma fixed almost all of it's Wayland/Nvidia bugs (as far as I can see on my desktop) and Mutter has an Nvidia rewrite on the roadmap IIRC. Still not perfect, but the new drivers have stopped 95% of the major glitching caused with the old ones.

Re: Elementary OS 7

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Post by smoldesu »

dlivingston wrote: post #20
carlosjobim wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To me it looks productive and stable.

It reminds me very much of Aqua [0]. To be clear, I like that design style, but it is clearly true that it went "out of fashion" 10+ years ago. [0]: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aqua_(user_interface)

IMO, GNOME 3's version of Adwaita was evocative of the old "Platinum" UI for Mac. Very clean and professional, and aged much better than Aqua for my money.

Re: Elementary OS 7

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Post by vorpalhex »

I gave Elementary a try, unfortunately it's just too simplified. You can eventually get gnome-tweaks up and fix things like font-scaling on high dpi displays, but Pantheon is too basic.

Re: Elementary OS 7

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Post by Longhanks »

> Sideloading apps and using alt stores like Flathub is a major feature of elementary OS and a competitive edge over closed platforms that only let you install apps from a locked down store.

Unless elementary suddenly competes with iOS, I don’t know which platform they’re actually referring to, all while actually regressing the experience with Vista-style "are you sure" dialogs.

Their dark pattern compelling you to "buy" instead of simply download elementary (for which I doubt many $$$ go to for example the Linux kernel) is still present, too.

Re: Elementary OS 7

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Post by pacifika »

smoldesu wrote: post #17

Where is Wayland support standing for Elementary? I'm glad the project is still around, but the dream of a Mac-like HID experience won't be complete without gesture support and smooth windowing. Now that KDE and GNOME are both using Wayland sessions and implement 1:1 touchpad gestures, it's hard to recommend the Pantheon desktop (even if a lot of the apps are excellent!)

Wayland is not in this release.

Re: Elementary OS 7

#28

Post by segaboy81 »

I fully believe that Elementary survives only because 99% of those purported 400,000 downloads are really just YouTubers racing each other to apply some anime wallpaper and show it off on YouTube.

I firmly believe that Elementary OS has no utility over Arch/Fedora/Ubuntu and that any income they receive from donors is money ill-spent.

Re: Elementary OS 7

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Post by smoldesu »

Longhanks wrote: post #26

> Sideloading apps and using alt stores like Flathub is a major feature of elementary OS and a competitive edge over closed platforms that only let you install apps from a locked down store. Unless elementary suddenly competes with iOS, I don’t know which platform they’re actually referring to, all while actually regressing the experience with Vista-style "are you sure" dialogs. Their dark pattern compelling you to "…

It's also weird how they call it "Sideloading" rather than just... installing apps. This is how modern operating systems should work, it's baffling that they bend the rules to make room for the exception.

That being said, I do think it's fine for them to charge for their software experience here. What they're really asking you to pay for is the development of the Pantheon UI, and the desktop/OS portion of it. There's not really any reason to pay that back to the Linux kernel besides good will.

Re: Elementary OS 7

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Post by [deleted] »

segaboy81 wrote: post #28

I fully believe that Elementary survives only because 99% of those purported 400,000 downloads are really just YouTubers racing each other to apply some anime wallpaper and show it off on YouTube. I firmly believe that Elementary OS has no utility over Arch/Fedora/Ubuntu and that any income they receive from donors is money ill-spent.

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