This would be a perfect episode for Black Mirror. Hopefully won't become real.
Aicracy – Governed by Algorithms
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#22 Previous problems of human bias and corruption thus belong to the past
The system is designed according to the human values of transparency, happiness, productivity, fairness, and individuality. Humans can be selfish. Our system can't.
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#23Great promotion for the next season of Black Mirror
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#24I've actually discussed the same idea with friends. My western friends find the idea very repulsive, where for me with my mixed east-west background find it worthy of exploration. IMO the west's ideals reflects their history of loosely-confederated tribes, e.g. the Germanic and Frankish tribes. Centralised governments are the exception (the Roman empire, lasting only a few hundred years). Compare this with the east w…
Western cultures, as originating from the Greeks, prioritise the individual in society and usually attempt to improve through the conflict and collaboration of such individuals. Eastern cultures, as originating from Confucianism, prioritise the group and attempt to improve through harmony of social structure and contribution to the greater good.
I wouldn't say one is better than the other, but they're very alien in comparison to each other and this makes preference extremely subjective. Both approaches have significant drawbacks in addition to all their successes, so it's natural that an Easterner would entertain this satirical idea (seeing the positives) while it'd be abhorrent to a Westerner (seeing only the negatives)
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#25I expected this to be dystopian but nevertheless was extremely relieved to to see it explicitly labeled as such towards the end. Remember that only 18 months or so ago, during the crypto hype, the legal aspect of this was actively touted as some utopic feature of blockchains.
What's the point if the conclusion has already been made by the authors? Such "discussion" with a presumed bias becomes merely a statement or an echo chamber.
The goal is stated at the bottom - they take it for granted that no one wants to be ruled by chatbot. The point is to get you to think about what exactly is wrong with this picture, and what that says about the future you wish to see
> It was the goal of this project to show a dystopian future, sensitizing people to undesirable futures while stimulating a discussion about what they wish the future to be like.
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#26People don’t get it, I’m an aicist. Always have been. No soul, no service. AI can’t drink at my water fountain!
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#27I expected this to be dystopian but nevertheless was extremely relieved to to see it explicitly labeled as such towards the end. Remember that only 18 months or so ago, during the crypto hype, the legal aspect of this was actively touted as some utopic feature of blockchains.
What's the point if the conclusion has already been made by the authors? Such "discussion" with a presumed bias becomes merely a statement or an echo chamber.
It's provocative statements just like this one that often start the most interesting discussions.
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#28Previous problems of human bias and corruption thus belong to the past I hope so too. But in many cases, machine learning based systems just amplify human bias, like ML based hiring systems. After all, it's been trained by using biased data. The system is designed according to the human values of transparency, happiness, productivity, fairness, and individuality. Humans can be selfish. Our system can't. Hmm. Big if t…
I feel like the elephant in the room with western society is that 90% of the corruption we have comes not from politicians but from the people themselves. People decide whether a policy is a good idea based on how it affects them personally not whether it is a good or a bad for the country or efficient or just. That's how you get a situation where (majority) mortgage owners are subsidised but (minority) renters are punished for example. The same applies to the justice system: people decide how they feel about court cases based on the victim/defendants age/sex/race/attractiveness.
So an AI either needs to ape those processes (and be popular but largely pointless as that is what we already have) OR to actually be fair but be too unpopular to ever be accepted by the people it governs.
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#29My old supervisor wrote a book on computational socialism back in 93. I rather like some of the ideas (can a participatory centrally planned economy work now that we have internet/cybernetics?), but suspect it wouldn't work in practice.
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#30Great promotion for the next season of Black Mirror
It was indeed much inspired by Black Mirror. I tried to convince Charlie Brooker to come in via Zoom as the examiner in the student's final presentation, but it didn't work out.