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Pfizer Responds to Covid Gain of Function Research Claims

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Re: Pfizer Responds to Covid Gain of Function Research Claims

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Post by bitwize »

fidgewidge wrote: post #14
Digory wrote: post #6

This is responding to an undercover video by the activists at Project Veritas. They have released a video that appears to show a Pfizer director saying they are mutating new COVID lines for vaccine purposes.

It actually does show that, albeit he says they're considering/planning on doing it, not doing it right now. The clips where he talks about it are long and with plenty of context, the man in question does indeed have the title Veritas claimed for him (although they are now trying to scrub his internet presence), and when he was confronted with the recordings he freaked out and attacked the reporters. On every thread…

It's not just that Project Veritas has a far-right agenda. It's that they lie, and publish heavily edited footage taking people's statements way out of context, in order to push that agenda. They single-handedly destroyed the reputation of ACORN in the USA with their deceptive techniques.

Furthermore, they conduct surreptitious recording of their interviewees, which is illegal in some places they operate (a felony in California). They need to be shut down as a criminal organization.

Re: Pfizer Responds to Covid Gain of Function Research Claims

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Post by robswc »

hnbad wrote: post #9
Digory wrote: post #6

This is responding to an undercover video by the activists at Project Veritas. They have released a video that appears to show a Pfizer director saying they are mutating new COVID lines for vaccine purposes.

For context, this is Project Veritas: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Veritas > Project Veritas is an American far-right activist group founded by James O'Keefe in 2010. The group produces deceptively edited videos of its undercover operations, which use secret recordings in an effort to discredit mainstream media organizations and progressive groups. Project Veritas also uses entrapment to generate bad publici…

Something like this is always posted whenever Project Veritas comes up. I agree they're mostly finding things for outrage culture and are generally annoying... sometimes they uncover legitimately concerning things though.

That said, here's an example of why I dislike this "argument."

Joseph Bruno, Dean of Students, Francis W. Parker School: “So, I’ve been the Dean for four years. During Pride -- we do a Pride Week every year -- I had our LGBTQ+ Health Center come in [to the classroom]. They were passing around butt-plugs and dildos to my students -- talking about queer sex, using lube versus using spit.”

The school's response:

A school spokesperson said the dean was “filmed without his knowledge or permission while describing one example of our inclusive, LGBTQ+ affirming a comprehensive approach to sex education. Veritas deceptively edited the video with malicious intent.” [1]

Notice, they say absolutely _nothing_ about whether they [2] pass around butt-plugs and dildos. If anything, their statement lends to the idea that they do in fact do that. I do not care if the Dean was "misled" or the video is "edited" unless that disproves what the Dean claimed. My bar isn't that high at all.

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[1] : https://www.wane.com/news/private-school-defends-dean-after-...

[2] : edit, as some believe my original wording (do give out sex toys to kids) was disingenuous

Re: Pfizer Responds to Covid Gain of Function Research Claims

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Post by djitz »

tonetheman wrote: post #12
unlikelymordant wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"It is important to note that these studies are required by U.S. and global regulators for all antiviral products" - i think this bit of the paragraph you highlighted changes the meaning somewhat.

Exactly this. It is laughable that the conservatives/Republicans/Fascists of my country (US) are all against evil X. And they literally do not understand what evil X is. But they are indeed against it. It is hard to see what the end game of this nonsense. I am sure there is an ending part to it but so far it is just dummies saying gain of function over and over hoping it sticks.

conservatives/Republicans/Fascists of my country

Speaking of saying something over and over and hoping it sticks..

Re: Pfizer Responds to Covid Gain of Function Research Claims

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Post by hulitu »

hnbad wrote: post #9
Digory wrote: post #6

This is responding to an undercover video by the activists at Project Veritas. They have released a video that appears to show a Pfizer director saying they are mutating new COVID lines for vaccine purposes.

For context, this is Project Veritas: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Veritas > Project Veritas is an American far-right activist group founded by James O'Keefe in 2010. The group produces deceptively edited videos of its undercover operations, which use secret recordings in an effort to discredit mainstream media organizations and progressive groups. Project Veritas also uses entrapment to generate bad publici…

> in an effort to discredit mainstream media organizations and progressive groups. Project Veritas also uses entrapment to generate bad publicity for its targets, and has propagated disinformation and conspiracy theories in its videos and operations.

This looks like normal journalism.

Re: Pfizer Responds to Covid Gain of Function Research Claims

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Post by gjsman-1000 »

bitwize wrote: post #21
fidgewidge wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It actually does show that, albeit he says they're considering/planning on doing it, not doing it right now. The clips where he talks about it are long and with plenty of context, the man in question does indeed have the title Veritas claimed for him (although they are now trying to scrub his internet presence), and when he was confronted with the recordings he freaked out and attacked the reporters. On every thread…

It's not just that Project Veritas has a far-right agenda. It's that they lie, and publish heavily edited footage taking people's statements way out of context, in order to push that agenda. They single-handedly destroyed the reputation of ACORN in the USA with their deceptive techniques. Furthermore, they conduct surreptitious recording of their interviewees, which is illegal in some places they operate (a felony in…

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Re: Pfizer Responds to Covid Gain of Function Research Claims

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Post by LBJsPNS »

Digory wrote: post #6

This is responding to an undercover video by the activists at Project Veritas. They have released a video that appears to show a Pfizer director saying they are mutating new COVID lines for vaccine purposes.

And Project Veritas has demonstrated they are not to be taken as a valid source.

Re: Pfizer Responds to Covid Gain of Function Research Claims

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Post by gjsman-1000 »

LBJsPNS wrote: post #26
Digory wrote: post #6

This is responding to an undercover video by the activists at Project Veritas. They have released a video that appears to show a Pfizer director saying they are mutating new COVID lines for vaccine purposes.

And Project Veritas has demonstrated they are not to be taken as a valid source.

By the claims people make against them, the mainstream media is many times more guilty.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34558690

Re: Pfizer Responds to Covid Gain of Function Research Claims

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Post by LBJsPNS »

djitz wrote: post #23
tonetheman wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exactly this. It is laughable that the conservatives/Republicans/Fascists of my country (US) are all against evil X. And they literally do not understand what evil X is. But they are indeed against it. It is hard to see what the end game of this nonsense. I am sure there is an ending part to it but so far it is just dummies saying gain of function over and over hoping it sticks.

conservatives/Republicans/Fascists of my country Speaking of saying something over and over and hoping it sticks..

There's sufficient evidence to back up that statement.

Re: Pfizer Responds to Covid Gain of Function Research Claims

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Post by timeon »

gjsman-1000 wrote: post #27
LBJsPNS wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And Project Veritas has demonstrated they are not to be taken as a valid source.

By the claims people make against them, the mainstream media is many times more guilty. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34558690

> the mainstream media is many times more guilty

This "activist" is financed by Koch brothers. How is he in opposition to "mainstream" media?

Re: Pfizer Responds to Covid Gain of Function Research Claims

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Post by gjsman-1000 »

hotpotamus wrote: post #19
fidgewidge wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It actually does show that, albeit he says they're considering/planning on doing it, not doing it right now. The clips where he talks about it are long and with plenty of context, the man in question does indeed have the title Veritas claimed for him (although they are now trying to scrub his internet presence), and when he was confronted with the recordings he freaked out and attacked the reporters. On every thread…

You insult the intelligence of anyone to suggest that Project Veritas does not have a right-wing political agenda. Whether it is "far" to the right, I don't know. I'd certainly be curious to see the videos if they were to turn their spycraft/journalism (I'll admit there may be some overlap in those) on powerful right-wing figures, but we both know that will not be happening. I wouldn't be surprised to learn that a va…

Well, if you watch the original video, he said that he speculated that’s what happened in Wuhan, and that there had better not be more outbreaks.

Just the fact that a Pfizer employee would make a serious comment like that is terrifying and should spark investigations into that lab immediately.

Also, there should be investigations to our pandemic leadership for so heavily insisting that it almost certainly was not a leak - especially after the employee’s comments on regulatory capture.

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