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Re: Newton FAQ

#21

“Can I use my Newton as a web server?” Really? That’s a frequently asked question?

The F in FAQ isn’t to be taken at face value: […] text consisting of questions and their answers may thus be called a FAQ regardless of whether the questions are actually frequently asked. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FAQ]

Re: Newton FAQ

#22

In working on my Book III (basically, the early 90s), I've done a ton of research on handheld devices and the money pit they were. Newton is not going to be any more than a footnote. Jerry Kaplan's book Startup tells the story about how Sculley stabbed GO in the back with Newton -- actually, both GO and General Magic. They got a lot of press and flopped miserably. And of course, let's not forget Momenta (as easy as t…

Two of the most important differences in design assumptions between Newton and Palm, from my POV on the Newton team:

1. Newton was designed with “natural” pen-based interactions as a core design goal. That had huge effects on the entire product from the OS to the UX, including the need to recognize normal writing. The Palm Pilot was designed as a fairly standard PDA OS with the keyboard replaced by an oddly modified set of character shapes that had to be learned by users before they could enter text. We thought that would be a deal-breaker for potential Palm users — we were wrong!

2. Newton was designed as a standalone system, the next generation of computing after desktops. The assumption was that it could be your only computer. Syncing to a PC/Mac was an afterthought. Palm was designed as an adjunct device for a PC, so its capabilities were far less and the sync functionality was core to the system.

There are lots of other differences but many can be traced back to those two. For example, the huge difference in the tech specs and therefore the cost of the devices is directly related to both of those assumptions.

Re: Newton FAQ

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post #22

In working on my Book III (basically, the early 90s), I've done a ton of research on handheld devices and the money pit they were. Newton is not going to be any more than a footnote. Jerry Kaplan's book Startup tells the story about how Sculley stabbed GO in the back with Newton -- actually, both GO and General Magic. They got a lot of press and flopped miserably. And of course, let's not forget Momenta (as easy as t…

Two of the most important differences in design assumptions between Newton and Palm, from my POV on the Newton team: 1. Newton was designed with “natural” pen-based interactions as a core design goal. That had huge effects on the entire product from the OS to the UX, including the need to recognize normal writing. The Palm Pilot was designed as a fairly standard PDA OS with the keyboard replaced by an oddly modified…

You're right. Other failures back then were also trying to do that.

Unfortunately, it wasn't generally accepted that those two goals were not achievable. That's engineering for you: figuring out what's actually possible.

There was a little sticker you could put on the back of your Palm Pilot that reminded you of the Graffiti language. As you said, it was not a deal-breaker.

Re: Newton FAQ

#24

“Can I use my Newton as a web server?” Really? That’s a frequently asked question?

Yes. I wrote the web server for it back in 1998. It was actually pretty cool since we also integrated a public "wall", calendar and contacts sharing, instant messaging, and even a federated discovery protocol for other Newton servers.

Re: Newton FAQ

#25

In working on my Book III (basically, the early 90s), I've done a ton of research on handheld devices and the money pit they were. Newton is not going to be any more than a footnote. Jerry Kaplan's book Startup tells the story about how Sculley stabbed GO in the back with Newton -- actually, both GO and General Magic. They got a lot of press and flopped miserably. And of course, let's not forget Momenta (as easy as t…

Precisely for a guy who bought the Newton to USA and found it impossible to use in a Gartner conference which gave palm a free trial. You returned it and credit card not charged. I still have that Newton in storage but run thru many palm and typing (with treo phone) thousand words email back to others. All good.

Re: Newton FAQ

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Is it really a good FAQ if it doesn't explain _what_ it is as top level info? What is this? There are no links to the original product (or whatever it is - hardware? Software? OS?) either in the first few minutes of navigation.

Has the Apple Newton really fallen so far out of the public consciousness that this wouldn't be obvious? What about the Palm Pilot? Yes, I know the idea of PDAs has basically disappeared since the advent of smartphones (which are really just PDAs that also work as phones), but even so.

> Has the Apple Newton really fallen so far out of the public consciousness that this wouldn't be obvious?

They ceased production of the Apple Newton in 1998 according to Wikipedia. and the most recent Palm product I've heard of came out in 2010.

PDAs are basically floppy disks as far as the wider public knows.

Re: Newton FAQ

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Has the Apple Newton really fallen so far out of the public consciousness that this wouldn't be obvious? What about the Palm Pilot? Yes, I know the idea of PDAs has basically disappeared since the advent of smartphones (which are really just PDAs that also work as phones), but even so.

> Has the Apple Newton really fallen so far out of the public consciousness that this wouldn't be obvious? They ceased production of the Apple Newton in 1998 according to Wikipedia. and the most recent Palm product I've heard of came out in 2010. PDAs are basically floppy disks as far as the wider public knows.

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Re: Newton FAQ

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post #22

In working on my Book III (basically, the early 90s), I've done a ton of research on handheld devices and the money pit they were. Newton is not going to be any more than a footnote. Jerry Kaplan's book Startup tells the story about how Sculley stabbed GO in the back with Newton -- actually, both GO and General Magic. They got a lot of press and flopped miserably. And of course, let's not forget Momenta (as easy as t…

Two of the most important differences in design assumptions between Newton and Palm, from my POV on the Newton team: 1. Newton was designed with “natural” pen-based interactions as a core design goal. That had huge effects on the entire product from the OS to the UX, including the need to recognize normal writing. The Palm Pilot was designed as a fairly standard PDA OS with the keyboard replaced by an oddly modified…

Number 2 was the big stickler for me - and it was frustrating that Apple didn't get this when the original Mac had AppleTalk built in from day 1! If only Hypercard had better networking support and a server - we'd be surfing stacks instead of the web.

Re: Newton FAQ

#29
post #2

Is it really a good FAQ if it doesn't explain _what_ it is as top level info? What is this? There are no links to the original product (or whatever it is - hardware? Software? OS?) either in the first few minutes of navigation.

my thought exactly. I spent a few minutes on the FAQ and I don't know what a Newton is. Some kind of Palm Pilot like device I assume?

https://www.computerhistory.org/revolution/mobile-computing/...

Although if you just spent 20 minutes training it, it was frighteningly good at recognizing handwriting. It could read my writing better than I could back in the day.

Re: Newton FAQ

#30
post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Has the Apple Newton really fallen so far out of the public consciousness that this wouldn't be obvious? What about the Palm Pilot? Yes, I know the idea of PDAs has basically disappeared since the advent of smartphones (which are really just PDAs that also work as phones), but even so.

I know what an Apple Newton is. But this is not the Apple Newton FAQ. It's the Newton FAQ. If you don't specify the context and namespace, don't be surprised when people don't know wtf you're talking about. You might as well make a "String Class FAQ"

Or better yet a "String FAQ" for maximally reduced context, similar to a "Newton FAQ". Just the addition of an extra word (Apple) would help, but presumably the Newton fans are still tied to the way the Apple marketing talked about Newton without any qualification words.

https://youtu.be/lkg4EAK0Y30

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