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Time to throw in a mention for the homes of Lloyd Kahn. https://www.shelterpub.com/

There's plenty to discuss about houses (if you've got time on your hands), but give me a pretty good home. Green? Where I grew up you could drive around in the woods and see old abandoned log houses turning back into land and a few rocks, all on their own. A worthy goal to work towards.

Lloyd's still kicking and blogging. https://www.lloydkahn.com/

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I'm looking at building a home as a first time home owner in the next few years. One thing I'm wondering is how many headaches can I avoid if I just choose an expensive builder and not try to haggle or save a buck at every turn? I just want a 2-bedroom, 1,000 sq ft bungalow and am willing to pay 60-70% more than the average $/sqft in my city if they do a good job. I'd rather have a nice small place rather than a huge…

1000 square feet is so small there isn't much to do and only so many ways to design it. IMHO you could easily find a small bungalow of that size, have the interior ripped out and taken down to studs, then totally rebuilt to exactly the layout you want and still be way under the cost of commissioning an architect to design something from scratch.

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I'm looking at building a home as a first time home owner in the next few years. One thing I'm wondering is how many headaches can I avoid if I just choose an expensive builder and not try to haggle or save a buck at every turn? I just want a 2-bedroom, 1,000 sq ft bungalow and am willing to pay 60-70% more than the average $/sqft in my city if they do a good job. I'd rather have a nice small place rather than a huge…

I recommend a look at https://healthyhomebuilders.com/ and reading their book, in particular. They explicitly use closed-cell foam and appear to use ZIP-system outer sheathing. The methods they advocate seem in agreement with high-performance building, with extra attention to indoor health. They claim the latter can be done with reasonable extra cost. The book is very informative. I found it at the library when I went specifically to look for Pretty Good House.

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A friend told me about the post. Thanks for the kind words. Glad you’ve all found it useful.

Dan do you ever talk about retro fitting old houses at your monthly talks. It would wonderful to learn what can be done to existing (my home is 1880’s) buildings to improve their performance.

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Some good, basic guidelines here. However a lot is going to depend on your local market and what the trades are familiar with. In smaller markets trying to push exotic techniques, technology or materials is going to be a recipe for suffering. The trades will not do a good job and/or you'll pay a crap ton for it.

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I'm looking at building a home as a first time home owner in the next few years. One thing I'm wondering is how many headaches can I avoid if I just choose an expensive builder and not try to haggle or save a buck at every turn? I just want a 2-bedroom, 1,000 sq ft bungalow and am willing to pay 60-70% more than the average $/sqft in my city if they do a good job. I'd rather have a nice small place rather than a huge…

We tried this approach and ended up with the same kind and amount of problems that everyone else plus a mark-up on the price.

Our conclusion was that you absolutely must be on top of things or you'll end up disappointed.

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#27
Love this new resource. I've been geeking out over what seems to be some near term changes on what it means to build a home. For the longest time it seemed to mean (in the US at least):

  - wood
  - waste
  - lifelong high expense
  - manual
and with the sudden explosion of

  - 3D printed houses (https://communityimpact.com/austin/georgetown/housing-real-estate/2022/11/17/3d-printed-homes-in-georgetown-offer-new-approach-to-building-communities/)(https://www.3dwasp.com/en/3d-printer-house-crane-wasp/)
  - revival of the modular home (really to many to list https://www.dwell.com/article/prefab-homes-austin-texas-f734ce25)
  - prevalent home centered tech
  - open source communities (https://www.opensourceecology.org)
  - remote work
  - decreasing solar cost
  - increasing last mile internet access
I wonder how what will change in how we perceive the value of a home. If I had a lot of money I think I'd just buy a lot of land and see what sticks.

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A friend told me about the post. Thanks for the kind words. Glad you’ve all found it useful.

I might get a better answer on GBA, but any building performance folks you'd recommend connecting with in the SF Bay Area? I'm not in the building industry at all, but love hearing talks and daydreaming about changing careers. Finding some material for folks outside of the PNW, New England, and the South West would be amazing. Temperate climates like the bay seem especially challenging to get specific info for, so maybe it's a case where I need to understand the principles well and apply it myself.

Love the book by the way; it's what I wish I'd had when I was looking to buy my first home. I'm going to be gifting it to a few people in my family over the next few years.

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#29

This is one of the areas that ML robotics companies should look into. Prefabs for whatever reason do not seem to work for the American market. Enough is enough, time to start throwing ML robotics models at zoning and building code regulations, instead of those silly game environments that DeepMind use for their RL demos. Replace those overpriced and incompetent tradespeople and builders. They do not have enough real…

Only on hacker news would you see a comment like that.

Re: The Pretty Good House

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I'm looking at building a home as a first time home owner in the next few years. One thing I'm wondering is how many headaches can I avoid if I just choose an expensive builder and not try to haggle or save a buck at every turn? I just want a 2-bedroom, 1,000 sq ft bungalow and am willing to pay 60-70% more than the average $/sqft in my city if they do a good job. I'd rather have a nice small place rather than a huge…

If you want to throw money at the problem here are my suggestions.

Find a good architect that knows the building codes and is at least educated in structural engineering.

Second, you can hire someone to manage the quality of the work. This can cost between 8-12% of the project bid. They make sure work is being done to a proper standard and will can deal with the contractor if something is lacking.

It is just going to take time. You can't build until you have permits. You can't get permits without a structural engineer drawings. You can't get a structural engineer until you have architect drawings. It all just takes time. Not to mention Our contractor was a year out.

Also, availability is still difficult on a lot of items. The windows we wanted were 26 weeks out. Our tile unavailable. If you like off the shelf junk from Home Depot, then you can avoid some of that waiting, but otherwise you have to simply wait.

Good luck!

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