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The 1986 Paris-Dakar rally (2021)

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Re: The 1986 Paris-Dakar rally (2021)

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Post by sandermvanvliet »

jansan wrote: post #13

Rally in the 80s until 1986 was insane. There was the class B with some of the most powerful rally cars ever built. If you see older insane rally videos, it is usually from class B. The Porsche 959 never participated in group B races, and it would have been really interesting to see it competing with Audi Quattro and Lancia Delta. unfortunately in 1986 there were several tragic accidents, resulted in the end of group…

I think the most crazy thing to enter Dakar was the DAF Turbo Twin. https://www.carhutt.com/daf-95-turbotwin-x1/

2400bhp in a truck… See this video of it overtaking one of the rally cars to get an idea how truly crazy that machine was: https://youtu.be/DDGbtUsTv24

Re: The 1986 Paris-Dakar rally (2021)

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Post by grubbs »

jansan wrote: post #13

Rally in the 80s until 1986 was insane. There was the class B with some of the most powerful rally cars ever built. If you see older insane rally videos, it is usually from class B. The Porsche 959 never participated in group B races, and it would have been really interesting to see it competing with Audi Quattro and Lancia Delta. unfortunately in 1986 there were several tragic accidents, resulted in the end of group…

Always enjoyed this documentary on the topic: "Too fast to race"

https://youtu.be/imXk8u-reUQ

Re: The 1986 Paris-Dakar rally (2021)

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Post by dclowd9901 »

marban wrote: post #11
dclowd9901 wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is there a 959 version? Those cars are absolutely astonishing

Sure, if you have 7 figures to spare. Best story: https://www.motorbiscuit.com/bill-gates-illegal-porsche-sat-...

Oops lol for some reason I thought the person I was replying to was talking about a die-cast model or something! Of course the 959 is basically completely out of reach for a pleb like me.

Re: The 1986 Paris-Dakar rally (2021)

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Post by marban »

dclowd9901 wrote: post #23
marban wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure, if you have 7 figures to spare. Best story: https://www.motorbiscuit.com/bill-gates-illegal-porsche-sat-...

Oops lol for some reason I thought the person I was replying to was talking about a die-cast model or something! Of course the 959 is basically completely out of reach for a pleb like me.

Porsche Item No. WAP0219590NRLL

Re: The 1986 Paris-Dakar rally (2021)

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Post by tomatotomato37 »

sandermvanvliet wrote: post #21
jansan wrote: post #13

Rally in the 80s until 1986 was insane. There was the class B with some of the most powerful rally cars ever built. If you see older insane rally videos, it is usually from class B. The Porsche 959 never participated in group B races, and it would have been really interesting to see it competing with Audi Quattro and Lancia Delta. unfortunately in 1986 there were several tragic accidents, resulted in the end of group…

I think the most crazy thing to enter Dakar was the DAF Turbo Twin. https://www.carhutt.com/daf-95-turbotwin-x1/ 2400bhp in a truck… See this video of it overtaking one of the rally cars to get an idea how truly crazy that machine was: https://youtu.be/DDGbtUsTv24

That wasn't one of the rally cars, that was the lead rally car, going over 200 km/h over ungraded sand. One of my favorite points in motoracing history.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cUnWnx_rdps

Re: The 1986 Paris-Dakar rally (2021)

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Post by TacticalCoder »

marban wrote: post #5

If you have some cash to spend, the 911 was just released in a limited Dakar edition, incl. the OG Rothmans decals. Work of art.

200 K EUR at least, if you can manage to fetch one. At only 2500 units they're unlikely to be sold at Porsche dealerships to non-Porsche customers.

As a funny anecdote a friend of mine managed to buy a Porsche Cayman GT4 RS (not just GT4 but GT4 RS) from an official Porsche dealership because he said he wanted one before Porsche even announced they would create that model. "I want to order a Porsche Cayman GT4 RS" / "But sir that car doesn't exist" / "I don't care, they'll certainly make one. If want to book it now".

And he got it a few months ago : )

Re: The 1986 Paris-Dakar rally (2021)

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Post by TacticalCoder »

smprather wrote: post #8
marban wrote: post #5

If you have some cash to spend, the 911 was just released in a limited Dakar edition, incl. the OG Rothmans decals. Work of art.

I'm not even a "car guy" but I sure would love to have one of those GT40's from Ford vs. Ferrari. (With a working door :))

> I'm not even a "car guy" but I sure would love to have one of those GT40's from Ford vs. Ferrari. (With a working door :))

Ah... I looked into that.

Good news: Ford sold the rights and the tooling for the GT40 (and hence lost the right to use the name "GT40", which is why their modern "GT40" is called simply "Ford GT") and a company called "Superformance" still creates new Fort GT40, which are nearly entirely compatible, parts for parts, with the original ones.

The Superformance cars are more than "replicas": they like to call their cars "continuation cars" (for they're made with the original tooling and they do own the rights to produce the GT40 and AC Cobras).

It's not the "real" thing in that they aren't from the 60s/70s, but then you can have one for 100 K (Superformance AC Cobra) or 200 K (Superformance GT40) instead of millions.

I've got a few cars and may buy a Superformance AC Cobra at some point. They even have the old Carroll Shelby chassis number starting with "CSX". The other AC Cobra replicas don't get to have a chassis starting with the elusive "CSX...".

Re: The 1986 Paris-Dakar rally (2021)

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Post by smm11 »

insane_dreamer wrote: post #26

Is Dakar Rally relevant anymore? Certainly doesn't seem so compared to the Paris-Dakar races I remember from the 70s and 80s.

It's way, way toned down these days. Like most things, "back in the day" was much harder and hobbled by poor tech and whatnot. Early Tour de France editions had stages far longer than now, on dirt roads, riders carried their own spare parts, and some had to weld bikes back together.
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