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Al Gore Comes Out Against SOPA/PIPA

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Re: Al Gore Comes Out Against SOPA/PIPA

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But copyright enforcement needs to get stronger to give creative people a better chance of making a living from their creative work.

SOPA and the people who wrote it don't give a shit about creative people making more money out of it. This is all a move organized by the agencies, corporations, etc. who used to be essential for every creative to market himself and reach his target audience. The internet made them more or less obsolete and now they're fighting against it. There are numerous examples of "creative people" making good money out of thei…

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Re: Al Gore Comes Out Against SOPA/PIPA

#23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

SOPA and the people who wrote it don't give a shit about creative people making more money out of it. This is all a move organized by the agencies, corporations, etc. who used to be essential for every creative to market himself and reach his target audience. The internet made them more or less obsolete and now they're fighting against it. There are numerous examples of "creative people" making good money out of thei…

Regardless of the motivation, one might expect that iOS developers for example would make more money with SOPA.

With SOPA iOS app developers might be able to more easily target pirate sites that give away their applications and reduce piracy.

Re: Al Gore Comes Out Against SOPA/PIPA

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post #14

When I first saw the Al Gore headline I immediately thought of South Park and ManBearPig, but that made me think something like southpark (i.e a comedy that's not afraid to get a bit political) might be an excellent way to raise awareness of exactly this issue. Shame the law will probably have passed by the time they make a new season.

The same thoughts here :) and I am really happy that he is fighting for something real. I hope this time it will work!

was that a reference to manbearpig, or you don't think global warming is real?

Re: Al Gore Comes Out Against SOPA/PIPA

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post #4

I'm glad the subhead of the article made the joke we were all thinking as soon as we read the title on HN so none of us has to make it. Too bad it sounds like there's no actual proof that he's talking about SOPA/PIPA, although it would be pretty hard to argue otherwise. If true would Gore be the most notable politician to come out against these acts? (As much as some of us might wish otherwise, it's not all that nota…

No, of the current politicians, Nancy Pelosi is the most notable to come out against it: http://sopaopera.org/P000197/ (entire list at http://sopaopera.org ) I'd also argue that Sen. Rand Paul is more prominent than Ron Paul because he's a Senator...at least in terms of real influence. He's 1 out of 100 votes; a filibuster of the Senate variant of SOPA needs 40 votes.

Senator Ron Wyden has already promised a filibuster for PIPA.

Re: Al Gore Comes Out Against SOPA/PIPA

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Why? It's not like ripping creative people off through piracy/whatever isn't already illegal...

But copyright enforcement needs to get stronger to give creative people a better chance of making a living from their creative work.

Two scenarios that I can see:

Without SOPA: Let's pretend that there is an innovative site that is going to be made in a few years that allows people to submit things to it and sell. This site gives some creative person a chance to make a full living. (this is actually happening now in many places)

With SOPA: Two options: Site either does not get created at all because of fear of creating sites that might cross SOPA at some point or this site gets taken fully off the internet because some other user on it posted some sort of infringing material for an indefinite period of time. in either case the creative person is out of luck with respect to making a living from their creative work.

Re: Al Gore Comes Out Against SOPA/PIPA

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Why? It's not like ripping creative people off through piracy/whatever isn't already illegal...

But copyright enforcement needs to get stronger to give creative people a better chance of making a living from their creative work.

No, SOPA will only favor the people who take their cut from selling the work of the creatives. Metallica never lost a dime from Napster, the artists make all their money from touring, the Record label itself makes money from record sales. If only there were some mechanism where creatives could market and distribute to the masses on their own, they could cut out the middle men distributors who support SOPA..... ... ..

Re: Al Gore Comes Out Against SOPA/PIPA

#28

When I first saw the Al Gore headline I immediately thought of South Park and ManBearPig, but that made me think something like southpark (i.e a comedy that's not afraid to get a bit political) might be an excellent way to raise awareness of exactly this issue. Shame the law will probably have passed by the time they make a new season.

It seems likely the people creating South Park (and not just Trey and Matt) would be pro-SOPA. After all, most people in the entertainment sector see it as a threat. (Yes, we may argue that South Park is popular because of the Internet.. but it's entirely likely they'd see it a different way.)

Re: Al Gore Comes Out Against SOPA/PIPA

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

SOPA and the people who wrote it don't give a shit about creative people making more money out of it. This is all a move organized by the agencies, corporations, etc. who used to be essential for every creative to market himself and reach his target audience. The internet made them more or less obsolete and now they're fighting against it. There are numerous examples of "creative people" making good money out of thei…

Regardless of the motivation, one might expect that iOS developers for example would make more money with SOPA.

How? with SOPA you are enabling the copyright holders to go after apple's entire distribution center because someone cloned tetris and the owners of tetris came after apple with an infringment claim. This takes down all of distribution not just the clone. Since the distribution is over the internet and name resolution is based on dns this is actually possible. unless apple changes it to be static IP addresses it would shut things down. (which would hurt scalability and end user experience because they couldn't load balance easily).

Just think about this, your revenue as an iOS dev could be culled because someone in the app store ecosystem infringed. How is that a good way to combat piracy? The pirates are going to pirate no matter what road block you set up.

Re: Al Gore Comes Out Against SOPA/PIPA

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

SOPA and the people who wrote it don't give a shit about creative people making more money out of it. This is all a move organized by the agencies, corporations, etc. who used to be essential for every creative to market himself and reach his target audience. The internet made them more or less obsolete and now they're fighting against it. There are numerous examples of "creative people" making good money out of thei…

Regardless of the motivation, one might expect that iOS developers for example would make more money with SOPA.

I wouldn't expect that at all. Can you explain why you think that?

And even if that were true, it's not automatically a good thing. iOS developers might end up better off through eating into consumer surplus, rather than creating more aggregate value.

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