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New video of Tesla crash demonstrates the problem of semi-automated driving

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Re: New video of Tesla crash demonstrates the problem of semi-automated driving

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Post by threeseed »

leot wrote: post #7

Cars fail and need to pull over regularly. It's hard to understand why this particular incident is all that notable.

Because you get ample notification for when your car is about to fail.

So you can switch on your hazard lights, gradually slow, let cars past and then pull over.

No normal, competent driver would act like this incident.

Re: New video of Tesla crash demonstrates the problem of semi-automated driving

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Post by denimnerd42 »

herodotus wrote: post #2

I have a VW Golf and it has what it calls "adaptive cruise control". What makes it different from my older (simple) cruise control is that it will slow down and speed up again as necessary without my intervention. For example, if I set the speed to 70 mph and it gets close to a car ahead that is only going 65 mph, it will slow down and maintain what the software believes is a safe distance. Similarly, if a car in an…

I do love the ACC on my car. One of the worst parts of road trips is following cars you don't want to or can't pass. The ACC totally solves it. I don't see how you were really able to use cruise to follow another car at all before? Even 1mph too slow is not great and if the car in front isn't using any cruise control at all it could be 5mph too slow and then 5mph too fast.

Re: New video of Tesla crash demonstrates the problem of semi-automated driving

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Post by rootusrootus »

sneak wrote: post #10

Seems to me that the cars behind the Tesla are the omas at fault?

No, you cannot swoop into a lane and stand on the brakes. Nobody was following the Tesla until he put himself directly in front of an overtaking car with not enough room.

Re: New video of Tesla crash demonstrates the problem of semi-automated driving

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Post by kiratp »

This looks like the vehicle tried and failed to get the driver to engage and pulled over best it could. There is no shoulder there so…

Let’s wait to get more info as to what the driver was doing and if they were incapacitated.

The FSD beta is pretty aggressive on making sure the driver is paying attention via both steering sensors, the in-cabin camera and the touch screen.

Re: New video of Tesla crash demonstrates the problem of semi-automated driving

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Post by jfoutz »

leot wrote: post #7

Cars fail and need to pull over regularly. It's hard to understand why this particular incident is all that notable.

hazard lights, or turn signal seem missing. You'd generally want to move over to the shoulder. Emergencies definitely do happen but parking, in the fast lane, in the tunnel is _incredibly_ dangerous.

Re: New video of Tesla crash demonstrates the problem of semi-automated driving

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Post by threeseed »

sneak wrote: post #10

Seems to me that the cars behind the Tesla are the omas at fault?

They are of course at fault for not leaving a safe distance.

But ultimately the behaviour of the Tesla FSD system is what caused the chain of accidents.

Re: New video of Tesla crash demonstrates the problem of semi-automated driving

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Post by rootusrootus »

leot wrote: post #7

Cars fail and need to pull over regularly. It's hard to understand why this particular incident is all that notable.

If you change into the left lane when there is insufficient room to do so, while standing on the brakes ... you are not pulling over, you are causing a wreck. Hope your insurance is paid up.

Re: New video of Tesla crash demonstrates the problem of semi-automated driving

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Post by marktolson »

herodotus wrote: post #2

I have a VW Golf and it has what it calls "adaptive cruise control". What makes it different from my older (simple) cruise control is that it will slow down and speed up again as necessary without my intervention. For example, if I set the speed to 70 mph and it gets close to a car ahead that is only going 65 mph, it will slow down and maintain what the software believes is a safe distance. Similarly, if a car in an…

My friend was using adaptive cruise control while towing a caravan. A car merged in front of him, his car applied heavy braking to maintain the desired distance (not necessarily to avoid a crash) but didn't compensate for the weight of the caravan. Almost lost traction, lead to heavy swerving. He's vowed to never use it again.

Re: New video of Tesla crash demonstrates the problem of semi-automated driving

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Post by BoorishBears »

calvinmorrison wrote: post #9

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If it wasn't a Tesla the driver would probably be sitting in jail right now for intentionally causing a wreck.

But because Tesla's pretend attempt at self-driving engaged in the reckless driving, the driver is protected despite clearly not reacting in anything even slightly resembling a timely manner.

Disclaimer: I work in the AV space... but no one in the space should consider Tesla a competitor.

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