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Agile isn’t about speed, it’s about direction

tim.mcnamara.nz

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Re: Agile isn’t about speed, it’s about direction

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It's about whatever some commentator thinks its about this week in order to get blog hits, sell more books, or to appear influential or as a thought leader etc etc etc.

Most of us with a brain have looked at it and taken the best parts of what is there and incorporated into our workflow for ourselves and our teams, and dumped the rest.

The rest just parrot on the same talking points with a different angle every week.

Re: Agile isn’t about speed, it’s about direction

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I guess the “No True Agile” crowd is as alive and well as they were 10 years ago. When it’s a failure, they always come out of the woodwork to let you know you weren’t doing it according to the orthodoxy. When you point out that it isn’t faster in practice, they gaslight you and claim that was never the point in the first place. In a way it reminds me of a cult. You do a series arcane rituals that have no scientific…

Fine. Let's assume that Agile is worse than the alternative. I am willing to accept that. However, which process are you arguing for, in its stead? "Programming, Motherfucker?" Shapeup? (Shapeup gets pretty close to agile in spirit.) Spiral Model? (I am assuming you're not arguing for RUP or others.)

Conceptually, I like shapeup. I think spiral model is fine - I'd argue that a lot of "agile" shops are closer to spiral.

Now, there are tools in agile that I'll vehemently defend, such as continuous integration and retrospectives. I'm a fan of most of the principles, such as "Continuous attention to technical excellence and good design enhances agility." But we are now at a point that if we're going to argue that "agile doesn't work," we've had enough time as an industry to gather around an alternative.

Re: Agile isn’t about speed, it’s about direction

#24

It's about both, it's just that ritualized Big-A Agile isn't about either. It's about the appearance of speed and selling certifications to companies and management that don't know better. I think "velocity" (from Scrum) actually evoked the correct idea, but most people seem to forget that velocity != speed. Velocity is a pair, speed and direction. Raw speed is useless if you're heading the wrong way (e.g., towards a…

But if you can adjust the direction fast enough, you can quickly recover from the wrong direction. That is, it's about speed of adjusting , not just speed. (In sports, it's the difference between speed and quickness.)

Only if you adjust into the right direction, and keep it after the adjustment.

Theoretically, scrum was aimed at adjusting faster. But if the adjustments just keep coming, you won't go anywhere.

Re: Agile isn’t about speed, it’s about direction

#26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But if you can adjust the direction fast enough, you can quickly recover from the wrong direction. That is, it's about speed of adjusting , not just speed. (In sports, it's the difference between speed and quickness.)

Only if you adjust into the right direction, and keep it after the adjustment. Theoretically, scrum was aimed at adjusting faster. But if the adjustments just keep coming, you won't go anywhere.

But equally you don't burn on for months in the wrong direction

Re: Agile isn’t about speed, it’s about direction

#27

I guess the “No True Agile” crowd is as alive and well as they were 10 years ago. When it’s a failure, they always come out of the woodwork to let you know you weren’t doing it according to the orthodoxy. When you point out that it isn’t faster in practice, they gaslight you and claim that was never the point in the first place. In a way it reminds me of a cult. You do a series arcane rituals that have no scientific…

Fine. Let's assume that Agile is worse than the alternative. I am willing to accept that. However, which process are you arguing for, in its stead? "Programming, Motherfucker?" Shapeup? (Shapeup gets pretty close to agile in spirit.) Spiral Model? (I am assuming you're not arguing for RUP or others.) Conceptually, I like shapeup. I think spiral model is fine - I'd argue that a lot of "agile" shops are closer to spira…

Does it need to have a fancy name and can’t be some frankenstein process you set as you look at the team and address the part where they needs structure ?

Re: Agile isn’t about speed, it’s about direction

#28

I guess the “No True Agile” crowd is as alive and well as they were 10 years ago. When it’s a failure, they always come out of the woodwork to let you know you weren’t doing it according to the orthodoxy. When you point out that it isn’t faster in practice, they gaslight you and claim that was never the point in the first place. In a way it reminds me of a cult. You do a series arcane rituals that have no scientific…

What would be a more data-driven software development process, that’s backed by scientific evidence and is statistically proven?

Re: Agile isn’t about speed, it’s about direction

#29

I guess the “No True Agile” crowd is as alive and well as they were 10 years ago. When it’s a failure, they always come out of the woodwork to let you know you weren’t doing it according to the orthodoxy. When you point out that it isn’t faster in practice, they gaslight you and claim that was never the point in the first place. In a way it reminds me of a cult. You do a series arcane rituals that have no scientific…

Woah woah woah.

Hold up.

You mean to tell me that someone just pulled stories, story points, point poker, scrum, and the master of the scrum, burn down charts, spikes, iterations, sprints, and retrospectives ... all out of their ass?

Re: Agile isn’t about speed, it’s about direction

#30

I guess the “No True Agile” crowd is as alive and well as they were 10 years ago. When it’s a failure, they always come out of the woodwork to let you know you weren’t doing it according to the orthodoxy. When you point out that it isn’t faster in practice, they gaslight you and claim that was never the point in the first place. In a way it reminds me of a cult. You do a series arcane rituals that have no scientific…

What would be a more data-driven software development process, that’s backed by scientific evidence and is statistically proven?

A shared todo list.
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