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Tax System in the Faroe Islands

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Re: Tax System in the Faroe Islands

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In Portugal, if you are an employee or pensioner and have no other sources of income, the tax form is filled in automatically for you. Just confirm if you want, and hit 'send'.

This is the case in almost all European countries nowadays.

The US tax and banking systems are so bad that it’s genuinely hard to understand from the Euro perspective.

Re: Tax System in the Faroe Islands

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post #21

In Portugal, if you are an employee or pensioner and have no other sources of income, the tax form is filled in automatically for you. Just confirm if you want, and hit 'send'.

This is the case in almost all European countries nowadays. The US tax and banking systems are so bad that it’s genuinely hard to understand from the Euro perspective.

US system is difficult by design. Automation would make filing less painful, and one party dislikes taxes so prefers people feel the pain.

Re: Tax System in the Faroe Islands

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post #19

Without a doubt, the US tax system is broken in mumerous ways. To a close approximation, everyone agrees on that. But the OP's notion makes about as much sense as asking if Amazon can somehow draw lessons for improving the efficiency and simplicity of its global software and hardware infrastructure by studying the super-simple software and hardware infrastructure of some tiny company. It strikes me as... highly unlik…

I don’t think bigger always needs to be more complex.

For simplicity sake, a 10% tax on income would scale infinitely, no matter how big an economy grows (I’m not arguing in favor of this tax).

But the point of the article, in my opinion, is that US has a large problem, costing tax payers an estimated 40 billion in labor figuring out their taxes, where other countries have almost automated the entire process.

I think there is something to be learned from there, as most people would agree that the US tax system is a mess.

Re: Tax System in the Faroe Islands

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In Portugal, if you are an employee or pensioner and have no other sources of income, the tax form is filled in automatically for you. Just confirm if you want, and hit 'send'.

In the UK, less than 10% of the population even file a tax return. For 90% of people tax is just taken at source. Unless you have a small business, rent out properties or work abroad, HMRC already knows what you needed to pay and get's it right 99% of the time and your employer/pension provider just withholds as required. It's always baffled me that so many rich countries don't operate like this...

Re: Tax System in the Faroe Islands

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post #19

Without a doubt, the US tax system is broken in mumerous ways. To a close approximation, everyone agrees on that. But the OP's notion makes about as much sense as asking if Amazon can somehow draw lessons for improving the efficiency and simplicity of its global software and hardware infrastructure by studying the super-simple software and hardware infrastructure of some tiny company. It strikes me as... highly unlik…

I don’t think bigger always needs to be more complex. For simplicity sake, a 10% tax on income would scale infinitely, no matter how big an economy grows (I’m not arguing in favor of this tax). But the point of the article, in my opinion, is that US has a large problem, costing tax payers an estimated 40 billion in labor figuring out their taxes, where other countries have almost automated the entire process. I think…

> I don’t think bigger always needs to be more complex.

And yet, the bigger a software company gets, the more labyrinthine its systems get. Ask any software or IT engineer who was at, say, Amazon, Facebook, or Google, as the company grew from serving a few hundred thousand customers to hundreds of millions of customers.

Similarly, the bigger a country is, the more labyrinthine its systems are (tax, legal, regulatory, etc.). Large distributed systems tend to become very complex, even though no one wants them to be. There are always many competing interests negotiating with each other and reaching compromises that no one likes.

Re: Tax System in the Faroe Islands

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Faroe Islands is a tiny speck. Countries are a cross between oil tankers and nuclear power plants. There's nothing to learn politicians have debated every single tax system known to human civilization. But even small changes are Herculean tasks.

I always find "but they're small" to be a lazy argument for things like this - I heard it recently in regards to Estonia's digital services also.

"It's easy for them to do, but we're a huge country with near-infinite resources, we couldn't possibly". I mean sure, it means you have to scale the operation to match, which is why the IRS has more staff than the Faroes have population. But "we can't take on these projects, we're too big" makes it sound like we should have expected Belgium to land on the moon instead of the US.

Re: Tax System in the Faroe Islands

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If I was a government body responsible for setting tax rules after reading the article I still haven't learned anything.

First of all, tax systems are typically result of huge forces within the country and represent history of negotiating between parties or other groups of people that each tries to get something for themselves while the government needs to deal with finite budget and groups of people dissatisfied that somebody else got something but not them.

Second, Faroe Island is a tiny, tiny country. With any kind of organisation, as the organisation grows things get more and more complicated.

And third, they point out Faroe Island has a huge GDP that comes from a fortunate resource. Countries that are in this position tend to have simpler tax systems because they do not need to rely on their citizens. Citizens rightly assume that if the country has a national resource they are entitled to have the resource pay for the infrastructure and government and not them. There is no need to fight to figure out where the money will come for this or that project -- the answer is always pretty much the same and it is not to put a levy on citizens but rather on the resource the country has.

Re: Tax System in the Faroe Islands

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Turbo tax and H&R Block, companies that produce software for filling taxes, lobby to keep taxes complex and non-easy (unless you pay for their software)

Well, the easy part of tax filing is easy: yes, it's a bit tedious in a sense that you have to copy some stuff from your W2 to 1040, but that's it. Calculating part time rental property depreciation is complicated, but that's because it IS complicated.

Exactly. The ordinary earned income portion of our income is 80% or more of our income and 1-2% of the tax filing burden/complexity.

Re: Tax System in the Faroe Islands

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post #19

Without a doubt, the US tax system is broken in mumerous ways. To a close approximation, everyone agrees on that. But the OP's notion makes about as much sense as asking if Amazon can somehow draw lessons for improving the efficiency and simplicity of its global software and hardware infrastructure by studying the super-simple software and hardware infrastructure of some tiny company. It strikes me as... highly unlik…

I don’t think bigger always needs to be more complex. For simplicity sake, a 10% tax on income would scale infinitely, no matter how big an economy grows (I’m not arguing in favor of this tax). But the point of the article, in my opinion, is that US has a large problem, costing tax payers an estimated 40 billion in labor figuring out their taxes, where other countries have almost automated the entire process. I think…

What percent of that $40B is relating to “taxes other than ordinary earned income” (the part that the Faroes have simplified)?

I suspect it’s very high 90s of percent.

Re: Tax System in the Faroe Islands

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It's completely irrational but any mention of this place is tainted by their dolphin hunts. How about learn about their taxes and they learn about PR.

The article has a good point from a few Faroese guys about how the mass inhumane US harvesting of beef, chicken, and pigs, is probably very similar in aggregate. But when the food item is something Americans culturally eat, it becomes difficult for animal rights activists to push on because they get labeled as crazy immediately. Whereas food items Americans are not used to eating like whale or snake gets a round of a…

It's the intelligence of the animal that's the issue. Not some cultural bias.
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