Ruby 3.2.0 does provide a significant performance boost, around 10%-20% across a bunch of my projects. Pretty sweet!
Ruby 3.2.0 is from another dimension
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#22Ruby is my favorite language, and often it is a joy to use because of its combined attributes of brevity, expressive power, and feature consistency. It's disappointing that there are so many more jobs for another popular language - one that lacks the elegance and consistency but which has a larger ecosystem. As far as I know, the only well known reason for a company to choose Ruby is if they want Rails (and obviously…
> one that lacks the elegance and consistency but which has a larger ecosystem.
... and decent first party docs, actual code modules rather than “execute every source file in the global namespace”, a first party Windows build, etc., etc., etc.
If the Ruby community can't acknowledge the real things holding it back compared to other available options, well, that makes it that much harder to catch up.
Re: Ruby 3.2.0 is from another dimension
#23Ruby 3.2.0 does provide a significant performance boost, around 10%-20% across a bunch of my projects. Pretty sweet!
That's with YJIT, I guess? Also, have you noticed any memory issues?
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#24This https://github.com/ruby/ruby/pull/5407 is how to run Ruby with WASI.
While the original Wasm PR description is a useful historical snapshot of the cross-build instructions, the copy in the official documentation is being updated over time: https://github.com/ruby/ruby/blob/master/wasm/README.md
Re: Ruby 3.2.0 is from another dimension
#25Ruby is my favorite language, and often it is a joy to use because of its combined attributes of brevity, expressive power, and feature consistency. It's disappointing that there are so many more jobs for another popular language - one that lacks the elegance and consistency but which has a larger ecosystem. As far as I know, the only well known reason for a company to choose Ruby is if they want Rails (and obviously…
You are obviously referring to Python and so I would like to note a few things. (I have nothing against Ruby)
> Ruby ... its combined attributes of brevity, expressive power, and feature consistency.
> [Python] lacks the elegance and consistency
First I would argue Python is very consistent in its design, it aims to only have one obvious way to do things and so it's easy to guess how apis will work. It also aims for explicitness, which makes code very easy to follow and reason about.
Secondly on "brevity" and "expressiveness", I don't really see them as an attribute that make a language "better". Sure for experienced developers who like a personal game of code golf (don't we all at times!) those are attributes can can make coding more "fun". But that doesn't necessarily translate to code that is ideal when working as part of a team, or code that is easy to follow when a new developer starts on an existing codebase.
Ultimately I think that's why Python has gained more traction than Ruby, it's an "easer" language to follow and start with. Ruby is probably a more fun and intellectually stimulating language to work with though.
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#28Earlier quoted context omitted.
> the other comparatively-unpleasant language > one that lacks the elegance and consistency upvoted for perfectly concise description of that language. it is even more sad knowing that high quality alternatives for the most popular libraries exist, but inertia is simply too high. @work I've tried to introduce Ruby to my colleagues that are very bad at programming, but good at science. They ditched it with reasons lik…
the "too slow argument" is normally based on old internet opinions and benchmarks.. ruby today is pretty fast. In the company that I work, we do a lot of system programming using ruby, web development, etc.. It came to substitute perl around 2005, and we still using it successfully today. When we need something really, really fast, specially including parallel processing and etc, we just use jruby.
> ruby today is pretty fast
Ruby today is slow as hell, but not as much as slower than other slow as hell languages as Ruby used to be.
Re: Ruby 3.2.0 is from another dimension
#29Ruby is my favorite language, and often it is a joy to use because of its combined attributes of brevity, expressive power, and feature consistency. It's disappointing that there are so many more jobs for another popular language - one that lacks the elegance and consistency but which has a larger ecosystem. As far as I know, the only well known reason for a company to choose Ruby is if they want Rails (and obviously…
You are obviously referring to Python and so I would like to note a few things. (I have nothing against Ruby) > Ruby ... its combined attributes of brevity, expressive power, and feature consistency. > [Python] lacks the elegance and consistency First I would argue Python is very consistent in its design, it aims to only have one obvious way to do things and so it's easy to guess how apis will work. It also aims for…
Python gained traction because of Google (Google used it initially then Guido worked for them for a decade+, vs. Matz at Heroku/salesforce) and then because it's the easiest way to use ML libs. That's it.
It's slower than Ruby, has worse package management and less consistent syntax but if you want to use Tensorflow, PyTorch, etc..., it's the default.
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#30Annoying to use acronym "WASI" and assume that everyone knows what it means. Apparently it’s Web Assembly System Interface. But what does that mean? To quote from https://github.com/WebAssembly/WASI:
> The WebAssembly System Interface is not a monolithic standard system interface, but is instead a modular collection of standardized APIs. None of the APIs are required to be implemented to have a compliant runtime. Instead, host environments can choose which APIs make sense for their use cases.
Uhh… OK, I guess. So it’s a collection of APIs to allow Web Assembly programs to make system calls? Why not just say that?
Edit: The official release notes do not make this mistake. https://www.ruby-lang.org/en/news/2022/12/25/ruby-3-2-0-rele...