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Snow shortage threatens Alps with wet winter season

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Re: Snow shortage threatens Alps with wet winter season

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Weather is not climate.

What is the purpose of your comment? Do you have a belief that if the global mean temperature were, for instance, raised 3 degrees celsius that this change would not result in noticeable changes in weather? Weather does not affect or result in global warming but global warming does affect and result in weather change.

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Re: Snow shortage threatens Alps with wet winter season

#22
post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is the purpose of your comment? Do you have a belief that if the global mean temperature were, for instance, raised 3 degrees celsius that this change would not result in noticeable changes in weather? Weather does not affect or result in global warming but global warming does affect and result in weather change.

Many people maliciously conflate "climate change" with "man-made climate change".

The year 2002 called and wants its denialism back. The effects of added CO2 are so simple to understand, CO2 is so easy to measure...

Re: Snow shortage threatens Alps with wet winter season

#24

Does Europe’s record-setting coal, gas, and biomass energy usage this winter have anything to do with this result? /s

Big thumps up if this is the question of a climate denier: No we are not having thet because of dumping a lot of CO2 that had been captured over millions of years into the atmosphere, but it is because French's nuclear plants are so rusty that we now used so much more biomass - lol.

If this ""winter"" continues like that I believe we will even use less gas/coal than previous years.. not sure why you think this year is record-setting.. we just switched to different sources?

Re: Snow shortage threatens Alps with wet winter season

#25
post #18

It's strange. Not alps here but seems to be all over Europe... I got to Czech Republic early December. There was snow on the ground everywhere we went. First time I've seen snow in Prague (last winter was mostly just cold and rainy). In my SO's town, like a foot of snow and was -10C. A few days before Christmas travelled to another small town south of Prague, even more snow. Then suddenly the weather shifted and it's…

Strange weather should now slowly not be surprising anymore to anyone .. when will the last ones realize we are kind of doomed since years?

This is just the "normal" heatwave now over Europe that occurs in winter.

Re: Snow shortage threatens Alps with wet winter season

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post #18

It's strange. Not alps here but seems to be all over Europe... I got to Czech Republic early December. There was snow on the ground everywhere we went. First time I've seen snow in Prague (last winter was mostly just cold and rainy). In my SO's town, like a foot of snow and was -10C. A few days before Christmas travelled to another small town south of Prague, even more snow. Then suddenly the weather shifted and it's…

Yes, early December was cold, and then there was a dramatic, 15°C to 20°C change here (near Paris, we went from 0°C to almost 15°C at noon in two days). That was around 20/12, IIRC. We went from colder than usual to close to record highs in no time.

Now, it’s getting cold again but even if it remains cold it’s too late to build up a decent snow cover for skiing.

Re: Snow shortage threatens Alps with wet winter season

#27

For the first time ever I had to cancel my holidays due to climate change. I was planning on skiing in the first week of January, not gonna happen. It was 14 degrees during the day on 31 Dec. 20 years ago it was unusual not to have snow for Christmas and New Year.

> 20 years ago it was unusual not to have snow for Christmas and New Year.

This is one of those widely spread Mandela effect-style misconceptions.

The chances of a white Christmas in the UK are around 10%, and depending where you are in the US [0], especially if you consider the population density not pictured in that chart, even lower.

Humans generally hugely overestimate how often a white Christmas actually happens due to selection bias.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Christmas_(weather)#/med...

Re: Snow shortage threatens Alps with wet winter season

#28

For the first time ever I had to cancel my holidays due to climate change. I was planning on skiing in the first week of January, not gonna happen. It was 14 degrees during the day on 31 Dec. 20 years ago it was unusual not to have snow for Christmas and New Year.

> 20 years ago it was unusual not to have snow for Christmas and New Year. This is one of those widely spread Mandela effect-style misconceptions. The chances of a white Christmas in the UK are around 10%, and depending where you are in the US [0], especially if you consider the population density not pictured in that chart, even lower. Humans generally hugely overestimate how often a white Christmas actually happens…

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Re: Snow shortage threatens Alps with wet winter season

#29
post #23

With the energy crisis in Europe this winter, I'm sure most people will trade a shorter ski season for higher average temperatures. Maybe Switzerland does not import much gas and would be the exception to this?

> With the energy crisis in Europe this winter, I'm sure most people will trade a shorter ski season for higher average temperatures.

Those around the Mediterranean, who’ve lived through 46°C last summer? Even England was miserably hot. Nobody wants it to get any hotter.

Re: Snow shortage threatens Alps with wet winter season

#30

For the first time ever I had to cancel my holidays due to climate change. I was planning on skiing in the first week of January, not gonna happen. It was 14 degrees during the day on 31 Dec. 20 years ago it was unusual not to have snow for Christmas and New Year.

> 20 years ago it was unusual not to have snow for Christmas and New Year. This is one of those widely spread Mandela effect-style misconceptions. The chances of a white Christmas in the UK are around 10%, and depending where you are in the US [0], especially if you consider the population density not pictured in that chart, even lower. Humans generally hugely overestimate how often a white Christmas actually happens…

> The chances of a white Christmas in the UK are around 10%, and depending where you are in the US [0], especially if you consider the population density not pictured in that chart, even lower.

Why do you assume the OP is in the UK or US? We’re discussing climate and weather in the Alps; there are plenty of places in Europe where a white Christmas really was not unusual.

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