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Re: Trying Out Flipper Zero

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Post by neilv »

YetAnotherNick wrote: post #14
sschueller wrote: post #5

People and companies that are attacking the device because it makes unlocking certain things easy should realize that the issues is not the device but the antiquated vehicles/door locking system that basically uses obscurity for it's security. If you can unlock your car with the flipper zero you can also do it with a ~100 USD SDR and an old laptop.

All the car locks can be opened by force using hammer, and in theory it should be equally illegal to force open as to use flipper. But in practice it gives plausible deniability if say a kid could use a toy like thing with some script downloaded from internet versus a guy breaking car window. Flipper kind of looks like a learning tool used for hacking, while SDR method seems like hacking tool that could be used for l…

Going with the children's toy theme... Has anyone 3D-printed alternative plastic for the Flipper Zero, to make the buttons be a mix of colors, and rounded like Fisher Price?

Edit: Flipper Price, as it were.

Re: Trying Out Flipper Zero

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Post by smcl »

antirez wrote: post #20
smcl wrote: post #19

Hey @antirez, if you're in the comments here I have a little question. I see someone asked about availability, since it's currently Sold Out. How often did you hit the Store before a unit was available? And was it a really narrow window of availablility? I'm wondering if I should write a little script that'll fetch the page, check availability and send me a notification or whether I should just remember to check the…

Hi! My purchase story was atypical: I saw the device, hit the official store, saw it available and just got it. Then I discovered I casually clicked in the exact right moment... No idea about their supply chain.

Ahh, interesting thanks! To be honest it's not much effort to write what I described, so I'll just dive in and set that up.

Re: Trying Out Flipper Zero

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Post by rcarmo »

antirez wrote: post #20
smcl wrote: post #19

Hey @antirez, if you're in the comments here I have a little question. I see someone asked about availability, since it's currently Sold Out. How often did you hit the Store before a unit was available? And was it a really narrow window of availablility? I'm wondering if I should write a little script that'll fetch the page, check availability and send me a notification or whether I should just remember to check the…

Hi! My purchase story was atypical: I saw the device, hit the official store, saw it available and just got it. Then I discovered I casually clicked in the exact right moment... No idea about their supply chain.

Yeah, I noticed it being available for a day or so a while back, but didn't click... :)

Re: Trying Out Flipper Zero

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Post by buro9 »

antirez wrote: post #20
smcl wrote: post #19

Hey @antirez, if you're in the comments here I have a little question. I see someone asked about availability, since it's currently Sold Out. How often did you hit the Store before a unit was available? And was it a really narrow window of availablility? I'm wondering if I should write a little script that'll fetch the page, check availability and send me a notification or whether I should just remember to check the…

Hi! My purchase story was atypical: I saw the device, hit the official store, saw it available and just got it. Then I discovered I casually clicked in the exact right moment... No idea about their supply chain.

I got one just before Christmas (in the UK), also saw it available and just bought it.

Then it went out of stock.

I shared the capabilities and a test program with a colleague (in the USA) who went onto the site and it was available again. They have one too now.

They really do seem to be adding stock as and when they receive it, so just make a bookmark and check back daily.

Re: Trying Out Flipper Zero

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Post by smcl »

rcarmo wrote: post #23
antirez wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hi! My purchase story was atypical: I saw the device, hit the official store, saw it available and just got it. Then I discovered I casually clicked in the exact right moment... No idea about their supply chain.

Yeah, I noticed it being available for a day or so a while back, but didn't click... :)

Sounds like we just need to check every day or so. Fingers crossed you manage to get one!

Re: Trying Out Flipper Zero

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Post by [deleted] »

neilv wrote: post #21
YetAnotherNick wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All the car locks can be opened by force using hammer, and in theory it should be equally illegal to force open as to use flipper. But in practice it gives plausible deniability if say a kid could use a toy like thing with some script downloaded from internet versus a guy breaking car window. Flipper kind of looks like a learning tool used for hacking, while SDR method seems like hacking tool that could be used for l…

Going with the children's toy theme... Has anyone 3D-printed alternative plastic for the Flipper Zero, to make the buttons be a mix of colors, and rounded like Fisher Price? Edit: Flipper Price, as it were.

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Re: Trying Out Flipper Zero

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Post by gadders »

garren wrote: post #15
neilv wrote: post #7

Are any more Flipper Zero units coming into the US? I heard that a shipment was seized a couple months ago, maybe due to national sanctions. (I have a Flipper Zero, but no time to play with it. Wondering whether I should sell it, or hold onto it because I won't be able to re-obtain one later.)

Mine was held up by the seizure. I got an email about it, but they were able get it out a month or so later. They were able to work around it, but I don’t recall the details. I think they had a blog post about it.

Probably being overly cynical, but I wonder if some of those flippers were back-doored by NSA or similar like they did to TVs.

Re: Trying Out Flipper Zero

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Post by luch »

sschueller wrote: post #5

People and companies that are attacking the device because it makes unlocking certain things easy should realize that the issues is not the device but the antiquated vehicles/door locking system that basically uses obscurity for it's security. If you can unlock your car with the flipper zero you can also do it with a ~100 USD SDR and an old laptop.

Honestly it's a bit of both in this situation : they are good RF protocols that are secure enough (e.g. Calypso has not been broken yet) but they are not used by vendors since the insecure version is "good enough". Now that Flipper Zero exists, they have to adapt.

However, there is an ongoing discussion about offensive security tools such as Flipper Zero, IMSI-catchers, phishing frameworks, meterpreter lookalikes, etc. and their consequences on the overall security landscape. It used to be that tools were just tools, but now legislators and the general public ask for more responsibility from tools vendors. For example publishing a complete n-day exploit for a major vulnerability (windows/Linux RCE, O365 RCE, etc.) is becoming more and more frown upon since it primarily enables attackers.

Re: Trying Out Flipper Zero

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Post by 4286796215 »

antirez wrote: post #20
smcl wrote: post #19

Hey @antirez, if you're in the comments here I have a little question. I see someone asked about availability, since it's currently Sold Out. How often did you hit the Store before a unit was available? And was it a really narrow window of availablility? I'm wondering if I should write a little script that'll fetch the page, check availability and send me a notification or whether I should just remember to check the…

Hi! My purchase story was atypical: I saw the device, hit the official store, saw it available and just got it. Then I discovered I casually clicked in the exact right moment... No idea about their supply chain.

Same for me, I got mine end of December as well and only learned they were supposedly hard to get when researching custom firmware. I waited maybe three weeks, two of which it spend in customs.
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